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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So much for being global? My my. I don't think there's a single stratigraphic column that is literally global. Why should there be? Just one of the usual nonsensical notions people come up with to try to debunk the Flood. Pathetic really. Faith, the conventional theory does not expect features to be global; the really pathetic theory is the Global Flood.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
For reference :
Walther's Law of Facies, or simply Walther's Law, named after the geologist Johannes Walther (1860-1937), states that the vertical succession of facies reflects lateral changes in environment. Conversely, it states that when a depositional environment "migrates" laterally, sediments of one depositional environment come to lie on top of another.[4] In Russia the law is known as Golovkinsky-Walther's Law, honoring also Nikolai A. Golovkinsky[5] (1834-1897). A classic example of this law is the vertical stratigraphic succession that typifies marine transgressions and regressions.
Wikipedia Let me repeat that last sentence: A classic example of this law is the vertical stratigraphic succession that typifies marine transgressions and regressions.
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Short list today:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OOPS, sorry, didn't see note forbidding Flood messages until after I posted this. But collecting the pictures was so difficult I have to leave them up. So if it's a suspension, oh well.
========================Just cuz I love them, some pictures of light-colored cliffs from a distance, all similar in form* to the chalk cliffs of Dover. Of course I know that the Flood formed them although you all deny it. The White Cliffs of Dover first:
The Coconino sandstone, Grand Canyon, the white band of rock seen from a distance:
Close up of the Coconino: Grand Staircase, Utah: pink cliffs, white cliffs, vermillion cliffs...
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* Not going to make another post since the Flood is off-topic and suspensions are promised for violations. But I have to answer jar whose mutterings about all the "differences" between chalk and the other layers are irrelevant, because I'm talking about the form of the deposits. They are all thick flat rocks that extend great distances horizontally, with originally flat surfaces, which indicates the same kind of deposition for all, which is what would be expected of the Flood, Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Walther's Law has nothing to do with the problem this thread is addressing. Period.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Just cuz I love them, some pictures of light-colored cliffs from a distance, all similar in form to the chalk cliffs of Dover. But of course reality shows that none of the other pictures are similar to the chalk deposits. Chalk is quite different than other light colored minerals and believe it or not conventional geology actually knows how the different minerals get formed. One very notable difference is that you do not see signs of bedding or layering in the chalk deposit except for the pieces of flint found in the upper portions. Interestingly the conventional theories also explain one way the flint nodules might get formed and why they are found embedded in chalk deposits. From Wikipedia:
quote: and from West Sussex Geology quote: AbE: There is another very important point irrefutably demonstrated by the pictures Faith was nice enough to find and post and that is the clear evidence that processes were local and not global. The materials in geological columns vary from location to location and demonstrate clearly different processes and environments over time and over distance. They show examples of chalk deposits and sand stone and igneous materials and mudstone and also variations between marine and terrestrial deposits that are stacked vertically. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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ABE: I realized that the situation Stile is describing has nothing to do with Walther's Law anyway, since that applies to sediments deposited by changing sea levels. He is talking about ocean transgressing over, or into, a sedimentary accumulation that was deposited by terrestrial means.
Ummmm, Faith ... A marine transgression IS a change of sea level. And actually, Walther's Law has to do with your questions about environments residing side by side; along with how one environment overrides another by transgression. That's why I brought it up. To help you understand what happens.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Walther's Law has nothing to do with the problem this thread is addressing. Period.
See my previous post and maybe dial back a little bit on the querulous posting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please repeat whatever you said in the post you want me to review, or better yet, restate what you think I need to know in new terms.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Please repeat whatever you said in the post you want me to review, or better yet, restate what you think I need to know in new terms. ABE: I realized that the situation Stile is describing has nothing to do with Walther's Law anyway, since that applies to sediments deposited by changing sea levels. He is talking about ocean transgressing over, or into, a sedimentary accumulation that was deposited by terrestrial means.
Ummmm, Faith ... A marine transgression IS a change of sea level. And actually, Walther's Law has to do with your questions about environments residing side by side; along with how one environment overrides another by transgression. That's why I brought it up. To help you understand what happens.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thank you for repeating it.
Something is getting confused here. The "side-by-side" phenomenon described by Walther's Law has to do with the sedimentary deposits brought about by the transgressing sea itself, the vertical layering plus the lateral deposits all as a result of the transgression. The example I'm exploring with Stile is something else entirely: terrestrial sediments being transgressed by the sea, which is a different situation. If it involves Walther's Law it nevertheless has nothing to do with the lateral deposits laid down BY the sea. AND I've never seen a stratigraphic column with side-by-side sediments of either source. I suppose it could happen but I haven't seen it. And again the side-by-side situation in this example is NOT the kind of situation Walther's Law explains. If there is something more you want to say about Walther's Law please say it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: If you note Message 1127 you will see that Walther's law is a general principle when environments lie side-by-side. Transgression and regression are simply the classic example.
quote: The terrestrial sediments laid down near the shore should obviously be included - the idea that Walther's Law is solely about sediments laid down BY the sea even when dealing with a transgression is simply wrong.
quote: The whole reason for bringing up Walther's Law is that it is exactly the situation that Walther's law describes. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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I'm still trying to figure this one out. Just the two first photos. The white chalk cliffs of Dover and a band of sandstones somewhere America were formed by a global flood because they both are white? Really?
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Just a short note clarifying one thing today. In Message 1136 Faith said:
Faith in Message 1136 writes: AND I've never seen a stratigraphic column with side-by-side sediments of either source. It is environments that are side-by-side, not sedimentary layers. In the case of Walther's Law the coastline is the boundary between side-by-side terrestrial and marine environments. The movement of coastlines back and forth across land, transgressions and regressions, results in a familiar pattern of nearly horizontal sedimentary deposits. The movement is a necessarily slow process as it takes time for sediments to accumulate to the depths we see recorded in strata like those of the Grand Canyon.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The white chalk cliffs of Dover and a band of sandstones somewhere America were formed by a global flood because they both are white? Sorry to confuse you. No, I just chose white rocks because we were talking about the cliffs of Dover and white shows up nicely at a distance. The subject was the similarity in FORM, not color, form meaning thickness, original flatness, great horizontal extent which all the strata share, all the strata of all colors in the photos, not just white. Shouldn't have put such emphasis on the white I guess, just made a nice parallel with Dover. All the other colors do just as well for examples of what the Flood would have done. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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