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Topic: Dakota Access Pipeline to be re-routed!!!
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NoNukes
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Message 1 of 17 (795036)
12-04-2016 5:37 PM
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I had planned to start a thread to discuss the sides of this issue, but I could not get around to it before today's announcement. Dakota Access Pipeline to be rerouted | CNN Politics
he Army will not approve an easement that would allow the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, the Army's assistant secretary for civil works announced Sunday. Jo-Ellen Darcy said in a press release she based her decision on a need to explore alternate routes for the Dakota Access Pipeline crossing. It was announced on November 14, 2016 that her office was delaying the decision on the easement to allow for discussions with the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, whose reservation lies 0.5 miles south of the proposed crossing. At several points it appeared that the Sioux tribe was going to be ordered to leave the area, but no deadline for leaving was ever reached or enforced as the state and federal government backed off. Trump was in favor of completing the pipeline but it appears that the DAPL cannot simply wait for Trump's inauguration. The DAPL needs to complete the work before the first week of January to avoid some fairly huge financial repercussions.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Message 4 of 17 (795058)
12-05-2016 12:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
12-05-2016 9:59 AM
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Re: Good to hear, or not
Re-routing is not going to solve the problem that is posed by the pipelines. No, it won't solve the problem. But perhaps this particular boon doggle will fail under the weight of the delays now caused by having to real environmental impact study completed and not being able to follow the current route. The ruling was a tremendous first step. Of course the next president is predisposed to allow this stuff, and is less pre-disposed to listen to Native American protesting, environmentalists, the EPA, etc.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Message 7 of 17 (795065)
12-05-2016 5:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Stile
12-05-2016 2:00 PM
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Re: Good to hear, I think.
2a. White neighbourhood voted not to have the pipeline in their area. There was no vote. The pipeline was re-routed away from Bismarck without any input from the city or its officials. If somebody decided that the pipeline was NSFW, the blame lies elsewhere.
Is the pipeline actually being moved this time because of the protest?
Or did they find more holes in their own plan and move it on their own again anyway? The federal government denied easements without which the pipeline cannot take the current route. There is no new planned route for the pipeline and no indication that the DAPL wanted to change the route. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Message 10 of 17 (795068)
12-05-2016 5:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by xongsmith
12-05-2016 5:34 PM
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Re: Good to hear, I think.
The usual meaning is Not safe for work. In this context the meaning is Not safe for whites.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Message 14 of 17 (795130)
12-06-2016 2:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Stile
12-06-2016 8:44 AM
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Re: Good to hear, I think.
Has the government stated that denying the easements was because of the people protesting the pipeline? No. The official reason given does not mention the protests at all, and that is probably for the best. It does mention that the Sioux nation is to be consulted and that an environmental impact study is to be done. You might read between the lines and credit the protest, but I am not aware that the government made any such statement.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Message 17 of 17 (795388)
12-12-2016 2:41 PM
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ETP takes DAPL case to court. But...
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Lawyers for Energy Transfer Partners (ETP), the builders of the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL), pressed the company's case for federal courts to allow it to finish the job and drill under Lake Oahe in a hearing on Friday, December 9.
Of course the pipeline folks have not given up. Billions of dollars are at stake. However, the pipeline is currently losing 20 million dollars per week due to contract obligations. Oil was supposed to start flowing on Jan 1, but that clearly will not happen.
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In what was surely a disappointment for ETP, Boasberg, however, gave notice that he would render a decision in February. He delivered timelines for the submission of briefs from the federal government, Dakota Access and the two tribal nations involved in the case, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and the Cheyenne River Sioux. Standing Rock Sioux Tribe needs to file its brief by January 6, as does the Army Corps.
In short the Judge is not going to give an answer in time for more losses to kick in on January 1. I've seen some speculation that enough loss will pile up so that some of the backers will want out, but wouldn't that be making decisions on sunk costs? The pipeline is clearly going to make money if completed.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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