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Theodoric
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Message 126 of 993 (798196)
01-31-2017 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by PaulK
01-31-2017 3:08 PM


Re: just incompetence
Why should Cat worry about facts when reading Facebook memes is all he needs?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 141 of 993 (798243)
02-01-2017 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
02-01-2017 8:00 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
In other words
"Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up."
Liar for Jesus and Trump now, I see. Disgusting that you claim to be a Christian but live your life as an antithesis of what your religion professes and support people that are vile, craven and know little to nothing about the religion you profess to follow.
It is amazing that "Christians" are all ready to quote passages from the Old Testament, but seem to be at utter loss for New testament quotations to support their craven beliefs these days.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 142 of 993 (798247)
02-01-2017 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
02-01-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist acting on Christian principles.
Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Alexandre Bissonnette, Wade Michael Page, Scott Roeder, Jim Adkisson, Eric Rudolph, Robert Deer.
Lets look historically
have you heard of Northern Ireland.
Crusades
English Civil war
Gunpowder Plot
Ku Klux Klan
Pogroms
This took me 2 mins to come up with. Quit being a liar for Jesus. Most of these are based upon the same principals you spout here every day. You want to be able to force people to live by what you think is right. Everyone else should submit to Christian domination. Christians who do not believe as you do are not Christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 143 of 993 (798248)
02-01-2017 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
02-01-2017 9:04 AM


The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens of America.
It applies to everyone in the borders of the USA.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 144 of 993 (798249)
02-01-2017 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
02-01-2017 9:16 AM


Take that up with Supreme Court rulings since the founding of the republic. What you spout is sedition and treason.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 145 of 993 (798250)
02-01-2017 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by vimesey
02-01-2017 9:25 AM


Not an expression here. Please elaborate.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 146 of 993 (798251)
02-01-2017 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
02-01-2017 9:36 AM


Caps don't help. You are still wrong.
Please drop the caps. Makes you look foolish and whiney.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 155 of 993 (798266)
02-01-2017 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by New Cat's Eye
02-01-2017 12:12 PM


Court rulings have made the 14th very clear.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 158 of 993 (798270)
02-01-2017 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Faith
02-01-2017 1:15 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
According to most Islamic clerics, Islamic terrorists are violating Islamic principals. Or are you more of an expert an Islam than they are?
Islamic Statements Against Terrorism | Charles Kurzman
quote:
That letter outlines 24 violations of Islamic Law, noting it's forbidden to kill the innocent, torture people, and disfigure the dead.
Muslims Using Sharia Law Against ISIS
Why are you holding Muslims to a different standard?
I notice you didn't address these people.
Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Alexandre Bissonnette, Wade Michael Page, Scott Roeder, Jim Adkisson, Eric Rudolph, Robert Deer
Do you agree with what some of them did? Or did they violate Christian principals too?
BTW Catholics are Christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 160 of 993 (798273)
02-01-2017 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Faith
02-01-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
So I'll say the sources where I'm getting my information, there's lots of it out there, are more expert on Islam than they are, yes.
So I could expect non-christians to be better experts on Christianity than Christian clerics. Ok if you say so.
They are either dissembling or they support a version of Islam that denies some of their scriptures, or they are outright lying, which is an accepted Islamic tactic, also on their books.
Evidence please. But I guess no different than you a Liar for Christ.
109 verses calling for murder huh? How many in your bible do the same or worse? Have you read your bible? Try Deuteronomy and Joshua to start.
quote:
Interpretation is all, and that changes over time. Religions have their core values, their non-negotiable truths, but they also surround themselves with many stories not essential to the message. Any religion that exists over long eras absorbs many of the ideas and beliefs of the community in which it finds itself, and reflects those in its writings. Over time, thinkers and theologians reject or underplay those doctrines and texts that contradict the underlying principles of the faith as it develops. However strong the textual traditions justifying war and conflict, believers come instead to stress love and justice. Of course Muslim societies throughout history have engaged in jihad, in holy war, and have found textual warrant so to do. But over time, other potent strains in the religion moved away from literal warfare. However strong the calls to jihad, struggle, in Islamic thought, the hugely influential Sufi orders taught that the real struggle was the inner battle to control one's sinful human instincts, and this mattered vastly more than any pathetic clash of swords and spears. The Greater Jihad is one fought in the soul.
Often, such reforming thinkers are so successful that the troublesome words fade utterly from popular consciousness, even among believers who think of themselves as true fundamentalists. Most Christian and Jewish believers, even those who are moderately literate in scriptural terms, read their own texts extraordinarily selectively. How many Christian preachers would today find spiritual sustenance in Joshua's massacres? How many American Christians know that the New Testament demands that women cover their hair, at least in church settings, and that Paul's Epistles include more detailed rules on the subject than anything written in the Koran? This kind of holy amnesia is a basic component of religious development. It does not imply rejecting scriptures, but rather reading them in the total context of the religion as it progresses through history.
Alternatively, one can choose to deny that historical experience, and seize on any available word or verse that authorizes the violence that is already taking place - but once someone has decided to do that, it scarcely matters what the text actually says.
Violent passages in the Koran and the Bible - The Boston Globe
Personally I think Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all vile oppressive violent religions. The legacy of Abraham(who wasn't real) is one of hate, xenophobia and oppression. A pox on all their houses.
But that you hold others to a different standard is disgusting.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 162 of 993 (798275)
02-01-2017 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by JonF
02-01-2017 2:03 PM


Christianity cannot meet standards Faith place on other religions
Faith's hate and xenophobia forces all other religions to meet a higher standard. This is what I find amazing about religious people. Their own faith and religion does not have to meet the high ideals they old others too.
I guess they know they cannot meet them.
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Edited by Theodoric, : change of subtopic

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 166 of 993 (798280)
02-01-2017 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
02-01-2017 2:14 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
So as usual you have no sources to back your deluded beliefs. Drop the caps. They make you look even more unstable than you even are.
You might try and actually read the koran. Not just some haters version of it. I agree it is vile and xenophobic. Not any different than the bible you claim to follow.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 172 of 993 (798294)
02-01-2017 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by vimesey
02-01-2017 2:51 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
I really don't think Faith has every really read a bible. I am sure Faith has looked at the words, but reading is much more than sounding out words. Comprehension is a vital part of reading. I think that is sorely lacking with Faith and many so-called christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 178 of 993 (798330)
02-01-2017 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
02-01-2017 6:47 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
On the other hand it IS the READER of the Koran who is told to kill infidels.
Provide the passages.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 182 of 993 (798336)
02-01-2017 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Faith
02-01-2017 7:32 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Now you should learn some arabic to know what it actually says.
Just Ask Islam - Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"?
As for your source.
A fault with this website is that they tend to focus a lot on passages from the Quran to justify why they think that the Islamic ideology is inherently suboptimal. This type of argument only works for people who believe that their book represents their entire religion. While these people exist, (and are not really uncommon), this does not say much about Islamic ideology, but rather fundamentalist Islamic ideology, which is something different. Given the inherent contradictions present in many religious texts, interpreting the book rigorously is necessarily a subjective exercise.
How objective is the Religion of Peace website? - Quora

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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