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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That really might be a great example of sabotage. It was poorly written, poorly presented, poorly executed, poorly defended and poorly thought out.
Every single stage was designed to insure failure.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Actually I just need to get the conservative point of view to counter the effect of the wall of liberal/leftist opinion at EvC. Faith, I am a Conservative and a Republican and a Christian. My point of view differs in many things from yours. That does not mean that I am not a Christian, Conservative Republican. Sorry Faith but them's the facts.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
When it comes to genocide no group has ever been more successful at it than Christianity.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Roman Catholics ARE Christians Faith and the Inquisitions and pogroms went on for long, long periods of times while Christians killed Christians and anyone who was not a Christian. Oh, and also confiscated their wealth and property and also drove them out of the country.
Nobody does genocide as well and effectively as Christians.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry Faith but Roman Catholics are Bible Believing Christians.
You really seem to have a problem with reality. Pogroms were common and done by the Christian Party in power.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And that simply isn't true. Well, it isn't true if we're taking your logic. The Crusades were primarily for the retaking of the Holy Lands from the Muslims, but it had a secondary attempt to conquer the Eastern Church. And as a matter of fact it was the Muslim Caliph that was the guarantor of safe passage for Christians to visit the sacred Christian and Jewish sites in the Middle East.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Anything that would turn back Trump's win would be welcome, as it would be for the Left in general, because he's considered to be the evil that needs to be stopped. Not at all true. I don't think Trump is seen as necessarily evil, just really stupid; woefully ignorant, narcissistic, greedy, not really acceptable for polite company as my momma would say. If there is an antichrist though il Donald certainly fits all the characteristics far more than anyone else in prominence today.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It seems that the facts (despite what il Donald claims) about Mexicans is that since around 2009 more Mexicans have chosen to leave the US than have come into the US.
source.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As Trump seems to have decided that going to the Supreme Court right now is a lost cause and so tries to get the 9th to do a Mulligan, the Old Dominion has taken a different tack with an Establishment Clause decision using statements from il Donald, Giuliani and other of il Donalds sycophants as the basic evidence to find a high probability that any Establishment Clause challenge would find the order was unconstitutional.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Washington Post has a story today titled "ICE nabs young ‘dreamer’ applicant after she speaks out at a news conference".
Daniela Vargas was brought to the US with her family fifteen years ago when she was 7 years old. Her family was here on a visitors visa but fell in love with the US, overstayed their visa and built a new life. For 15 years the educated their kids, worked, payed taxes. Daniela registered under the DARE program, the one that Trump says would continue and that he would protect the DARE kids. About two weeks ago ICE came to their home and arrested her father and brother. For some reason not specified they did not arrest her. Last Wednesday she was one of the speakers at a rally opposing the current deportation frenzy.
quote: source The story continues:
quote: Now the only question is whether or not Trump lied yet again or will he step up and do the honorable thing and call off the deportation of Daniela and her family members who are NOT badass rapists and murderers.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It still isn't clear what orders ICE is acting on. Trump hasn't issued any deportation orders that I'm aware of. Sorry Faith but this is the Trump Administration. Those people working for Trump and their acts are HIS responsibility.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Not if the laws they are acting under came from Obama. Laws? Trump don't need no stinking laws. Sorry Faith, it does not matter when a law was passed or under what Administration. Trump has the power to stop the pogrom but instead he seems to be encouraging it. Anything done under the Trump Administration is the responsibility of Trump. Yes, I know he loves to delegate guilt but unfortunately he is President and so it is his responsibility no matter how he tries to shift the blame.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Agencies don't stop acting under the previous administration's orders when a new administration comes into power, they continue as usual until they have new orders. I suspect this is just one of those typical attempts to pin something on Trump that has nothing to do with anything he's done. You have to do better than assign him the responsibility just because he's now the President. You have to show that the deportations are the result of his orders and not just business as usual or a step-up with another cause than Trump. You obviously don't know, you are just assuming. Responsibility stops when the holder of the office changes. Sorry Faith but it really is that simple.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: If previous orders are no longer in force and Trump has issued no new orders, ICE should be doing nothing at all. You are assuming a lot, that's all. You want to complain about Trump but you can't show that he's ordered the deportations you are complaining about. You really don't know what's going on at all. I'd like to know what Trump wants to do about illegal aliens in the country. I hope he will come out with a clear plan soon. The point is that so far I'm not aware of his laying out a plan or giving any orders about it or saying anything along such lines. If he has you ought to be able to show it to me. Meanwhile it just sounds like you love complaining about Trump and that's all there is to this whole subject. Utter nonsense Faith. The responsibility is still Trumps. End of subject.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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California father detained by ICE while dropping off kids at school.
ICE removing yet another Badass off the streets to make America Great Again was reported by SFGate. This criminal was caught transporting kids in his car and safely removed to be deported. The thirteen year old in the car was able to take a video of the rescue from the 48 year old illegal alien who had been hiding in the US for over two decades and had a criminal record of a DUI only a decade ago and had even purchased a car with an improper registration merely two decades ago. Today the streets of Los Angeles are a little bit safer.
quote: You're safe now Fatima. Edited by jar, : fix quote box
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