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Author Topic:   The Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right
Percy
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Message 455 of 960 (803281)
03-28-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by caffeine
03-28-2017 11:21 AM


Re: The problem with imprecision
caffeine writes:
The problem with your point is that what you describe is not totalitarianism - it's just state brutality.
Yes, I agree, I thought the same when I read Vimesey's post, but as you also note:
Brutality usually goes hand-in-hand with totalitarianism...
I'm trying to think of a totalitarian regime that wasn't brutal. Here are some examples of totalitarian regimes that come to mind:
  • North Korea
  • Yugoslavia under Tito
  • Romania under Ceausescu
  • Russia under Stalin
  • Italy under Mussolini
  • Germany under Hitler
Were any any of these totalitarian regimes benevolent? Or maybe there are benevolent totalitarian regimes I failed to list? If we can find no benevolent totalitarian regimes then I think we'd have to conclude that totalitarianism always travels with brutality.
There is a tendency in politics to throw insulting political names at everyone we don't like, and in this process they all start to blur in meaning. I think this is something we should try to avoid - if fascist, dictatorial, totalitarian etc all start to mean the same thing, then we run out of language with which to talk about these things.
Right. Or another way you could put it, if we apply extreme terms to the everyday then the words have no value when applied where they actually fit.
--Percy

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Message 489 of 960 (803345)
03-29-2017 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by New Cat's Eye
03-28-2017 3:32 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
New Cat's Eye writes:
That people think we need to call on the feds to help us figure this one out is what I'm calling a totalitarian mentality.
A totalitarian mentality would want what Hitler had or what Kim Jong-un has.
This sub-thread stems from Message 417...
That message is from Theodoric, and the exchange that actually followed doesn't support you. It goes like this:
Percy writes:
New Cat's Eye writes:
Theodoric writes:
You do realize that the Federal guidance on bathroom rules was because there were laws states were passing restricting bathroom use.
...
Too, only one state passed a law restricting bathroom use *before the guidance was issued (abe for pedantry).
And a number more in the legislative pipeline,...
Also, I interpreted Theodoric's use of the phrase "were passing" to mean "were in the legislative process." Note that you said "passed" while Theodoric said "were passing." Big difference.
Also, a false assumption people are making about me: I don't think the individual states are the perfect place for people to go to the government. You can have the same totalitarian mentality regardless of the level of government you go towards. Going to the feds though, especially because you cannot allow for other states to make different decisions than the one you want, is an even more totalitarian approach than sticking to more local levels.
Higher levels of government do not equate to a greater level of totalitarianism, and neither does appealing to them. What I hear in all your words is that you object to laws where you believe common sense should rule. But the universality of common sense is a myth, and for civil rights the federal government is the correct jurisdiction.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 496 of 960 (803356)
03-29-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 493 by New Cat's Eye
03-29-2017 9:46 AM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
New Cat's Eye writes:
What I hear in all your words is that you object to laws where you believe common sense should rule.
Weird, I haven't objected to a single law.
Scanning through your old messages, at a minimum you've objected to Obama's LGBT guidelines, fairly strenuously and critically. More generally you object to laws at a federal level that you believe would be more appropriately addressed with a patchwork of inconsistent state or local level laws. You think individuals should interact with one another to figure things out instead of having laws. And finally, people who believe other than you are totalitarian in their thinking.
Labeling people authoritarian isn't going to communicate what you mean to others, not without several paragraphs of clarification. That's how you know you're misusing the word. Hey, you're a nihilist, let me explain what I mean by that...
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 529 of 960 (803419)
03-30-2017 7:29 AM


North Carolina is planning to repeal their HB2 act that eliminates LBGT discrimination protections. HB2 required LGBT's to use public bathrooms corresponding to their birth certificates. From CNN: North Carolina leaders agree to repeal bathroom bill, but many see flaws
The repeal bill, which many dismissively label HB2.0, doesn't provide any LGBT protections, and prevents municipalities from passing their own protections until 2020.
Loss of business has been cited as the reason for the repeal. Movie-making and sports events have flowed out of the state to other venues, and it's affected tourism.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
Edited by Percy, : Improve clarity.

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Percy
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Message 593 of 960 (809919)
05-22-2017 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
05-21-2017 10:03 AM


Faith writes:
...basically a good guy really,...
His every tweet says otherwise.
...allow for everybody's wellbeing and happiness,...
You mean by taking away their healthcare?
...is vilified as if he's some kind of demon, accused of the most amazing perfidies, as if he were the worst person who ever lived.
He's behaving like a demon and committing perfidies, what do you expect?
The Russian collusion story is absurd, has already been debunked even by some on the Left...
Uh, no. There's so much smoke a special counsel (Robert S. Mueller) has been appointed to investigate.
If you vilify people, Trump himself but also all his supporters, calling us names that identify us as inhumane, call us haters and racists and all sort of other lies,...
If you don't like the names don't do the deeds.
--Percy

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Message 595 of 960 (809925)
05-22-2017 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 594 by Faith
05-22-2017 8:48 AM


Faith writes:
Every line you wrote is a Leftist propaganda line.
Fox News has reported all the same things.
--Percy

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Message 860 of 960 (813723)
06-30-2017 8:03 AM


Paul Manafort is the second person associated with Trump (the first was Michael Flynn) who has had to retroactively register as a foreign agent. See for example:
--Percy

  
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