The Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right

Oh that's clever! The Left/SCOTUS treats the public school system as the equivalent of Congress in its denial of religious practices on school property, which itself is a prohibition of the free exercise of religion in reality, and now you are saying that a law that prohibits Christians from acting on our beliefs, that came from SCOTUS, as usual usurping the role of Congress, doesn't count as prohibiting Christian freedoms. Gosh the Left is just brilliant at perverting American law. Prohibiting Christian practice by any means whatever I guess is the goal, right, so if we can illegally prohibit it by SCOTUS pretending to be Congress, and if it doesn't in so many words demand the prohibition, that's OK, cuz as we know, the end justifies the means.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'd say the bottom line remains no matter what else you bring to the mix: The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion and forbids prohibiting its "free exercise." Yes by a law made in the legislature but I think that is being misused in this context to allow its prohibition by hook or by crook.

Whatever the basis for treating gay marriage as legitimate, whether it's originated by the state or by SCOTUS, the fact is that wherever it clashes head-on with Christian belief, as it does in the serving of a gay wedding, Christians are losing their religious freedoms. Although I often just throw up my hands and assume we're headed back to the paganism Christianity supplanted centuries ago (which supplanting is what built Western Civilization), which regression does fit Biblical prophecy of the End Times, I can't give up without a fight. The loss of freedom of religion is too great an attack on American culture to tolerate passively. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

In the case of Christianity yes it does.

Not to limit Christianity, no, merely to make it possible for all those denominations represented in each colony to coexist under a united government. There was no idea of limiting Christianity as such at all, just to avoid a state denomination at the federal level. It was a Baptist church that was particularly concerned other denominations might dominate them, so Jefferson reassured them that they'd have freedom to follow their own convictions. The influence of generic Christianity, however, was pervasive throughout the new United States, in the government, in the schools, in the courts, this was a Christian nation through and through. The main Founders were Deists but the vast majority of the population were true Christians and the new institutions reflected that fact. The Bible was the foundation of education, prayer opened the sessions of government, court decisions favored protecting Christianity.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Obviously that's not what I have in mind. That isn't a practice based on the religion itself, it's what happens when a denomination has all the power, which WAS limited by the First Amendment. Simply practicing what the Bible teaches doesn't lead to persecuting anyone, and that's what I meant by religious freedom. All the Christian denominations in those days took the Bible as their authority, differing on what are called secondary points but not on major doctrine. That is why it is possible for generic Christianity to have complete freedom, as it did for the first years of the nation.Legal gay marriage is the first thing to come along that actively conflicts with Biblical Christianity. Free speech isn't the same thing since there is incendiary speech that isn't allowed, but a Bible-based denomination shouldn't need to be limited because it doesn't threaten anybody. SoSo there isn't anything you could find from the era of the Founders that recognizes a need to limit any Bible based denomination, EXCEPT the provision that there be no established state denomination at the federal level. The principle quoted from Jefferson can easily be applied to other freedoms, but besides the establishment clause not to Christian denominations. As far as I've seen or you've demonstrated so far.Biblical Christianity IS Christianity, all those other recent denominations that promote homosexuality and other elements of the liberal worldview are deviant from true Christianity. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There's a lot of anti-Christian revisionist "history" out there so I have to ask what your source is.I think it was a big mistake that the Constitution didn't specifically define Christianity as the foundation of the nation, since it functioned as that nevertheless and even the Founders embraced it in practice if not theory. There were Christian leaders who strongly objected to the Constitution's leaving out of any reference to God, and there was a movement for years to incorporate some statement of God's role into a Preamble. It's odd to think but God is part of the UK's Constitution and even a part of their educational system more than it is in once-Christian America.

:The SCOTUS ruling was a big big deal among Christians and that's what I have in mind. It is really irrelevant what the source of the law is, however, when the upshot is that Christian businesses are not allowed to refuse a service that their religious conscience objects to. It's nitpicky to try to pin down the exact source when the only point is that whatever the source Christians are no longer free to object t5o gay marriage. Stop twisting the point. What is forced is the legalization of gay marriage so that refusing to accept gay marriage as valid by denying service to a gay wedding is subject to legal punishment. Conservative Biblical Christians are required by God's word to reject the idea of gay marriage. That isn't going to change. There's nothing to get "straight," the source of the tyranny against Christians is irrelevant, the effect is the same in any case. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think Washington is too. Too bad, that was a BIG mistake. In his case it was to protect Christianity from the kinds of deterioration that led to abuse of power in Europe. His aim was to keep Christianity pure from worldly influences. Madison was one of the true Christians of the era.But there was a strong opinion among many Christian leaders that the Constitution was a betrayal of the Christian nature of the nation, both in its vastly Christian population and the governing documents of the individual colonies, and efforts were made to incorporate a statement of basic Christian principles into the Constitution.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's something that's inferred from court decisions and putting Bibles in the schools and prayer in the government, as well as prayer in the schools that somehow miraculously endured without any First Amendment-based gripes until Madalyn Murray came along almost two hundred years later,You are right of course that if you want to enforce your pagan worldview, you can get away with it now despite all that history that should tell you what America was really about.

You've attributed a quotation to me that isn't mine.

If they've had good Bible-believing parents and good pastors and teachers at church they would already know that the man-made religions are Hinduism and Islam, as the Bible makes quite clear. The Bible introduces the one true God and by following human history since Creation shows that Satan is the author of all the other religions, over which demons have installed themselves as gods. Hinduism has hundreds of demon gods, Islam was invented by a single man which already makes it bogus. The Bible was written by many men and it reports on many occasions multitudes of witnesses to miraculous events as well as mundane human events that show the authenticity of the Biblical God and the Biblical account of history.But I do agree with whoever it was who suggested that Christians shouldn't even go to public schools because they have become the tools of unbelievers.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Bible claims to be "God-breathed," its writers inspired by the Holy Ghost. Many of them open their writing with "The Word of the Lord came to me..." In other words there are many many passages in the Bible itself where God's authorship is claimed. Apart from authorship, the many miracles witnessed by multitudes give evidence that it is about the one true God. Demons can do petty little magic tricks; they can't do anything like the grand-scale miracles reported in the Bible. That's just your silly misreading. I don't know how many confused people agree with you [I'd guess zero myself] but the vast majority know it's all one creation story. There are certainly plenty of bad Christian schools that deny the inspired inerrancy of the scripture, so Christians try to avoid those as well as the public schools. Christians I know personally make sure to send their children to genuine Bible-believing schools instead. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So you do have a source for your nonsense. Interesting. there are lots of deceived Christians out there, so now I know about another one.

When I said action based on belief also must be allowed I certainly did not mean anything illegal or dangerous, the point was that Christian action is none of those things, it's completely benign. We aren't jihadists or polygamists or human sacrificers or any of the rest of it. The worst we do is evangelize on street corners, ring bells for donations at Christmastime and that sort of thing. If it weren't for the gay marriage law there would never have been a conflict between Christian belief and secular law.Such things as Muslims taking up whole streets for their prayers is something else. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.