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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: That's just your silly misreading. I don't know how many confused people agree with you [I'd guess zero myself] but the vast majority know it's all one creation story. Again Faith, reality says your guess is once again wrong. Here is a section from the 1981 Pastoral letter from Bishop Sims opposing Creationism being taught as science in ANY school.
quote: He goes on to say:
quote: Just as there are two mutually exclusive and contradictory flood myths in the Bible, there are two contradictory creation myths. Nothing you have presented so far Faith has shown even the smallest evidence that there are any Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So you do have a source for your nonsense. Interesting. there are lots of deceived Christians out there, so now I know about another one.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So you do have a source for your nonsense. Yes, the source is called "The Bible". You may have heard of it. But there is nothing deceptive or deceived about the position I present, rather it is Biblically based. But the topic is your claim that there is some Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right and so far you have not presented any evidence that might support such a conclusion or even such a hypothesis.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
North Carolina is planning to repeal their HB2 act that eliminates LBGT discrimination protections. HB2 required LGBT's to use public bathrooms corresponding to their birth certificates. From CNN: North Carolina leaders agree to repeal bathroom bill, but many see flaws
The repeal bill, which many dismissively label HB2.0, doesn't provide any LGBT protections, and prevents municipalities from passing their own protections until 2020. Loss of business has been cited as the reason for the repeal. Movie-making and sports events have flowed out of the state to other venues, and it's affected tourism. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar. Edited by Percy, : Improve clarity.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is frightening or should be frightening is that once again the Republicans are using headlines to hide their real motives and actions. This is "ProLife" dishonesty all over again. The key component in both bills is not the bathroom just as "ProLife" has nothing to do with being prolife; but is the inclusion of "employment". That strips away the right of any municipality to enact laws protecting LBGT people from discrimination.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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You do realize that Catholics complained about schools using the Protestant KJV in 1890. I think Mormons were complaining around then too. My understanding is that the Catholic school system was a reaction to the Protestant controlled schools forcing Protestant practices on Catholic kids. Excellent job of actually citing the law and real history in the face of unsupportable statements about what the early constitution allowed. Let me continue this line of argument. If you want to cite a directly germane early Supreme Court decision, I think the most relevant would be Reynolds v. United States decided in 1878.
quote:[1] Like it or not, this was the state of constitutional law in 1878 as well as now. The principle in question is not some new invention by the left or by liberal, activist, judges. Further, the decision is backed by the statement of at least one Founding Father:
quote:[2] And of course, the principle that Thomas Jefferson warned about is exactly the principle that Faith espouses here. Namely that her religious beliefs should allow her to take actions with impunity. Well, fortunately, that canard was never enshrined in the constitution. Small wonder it is being given short shrift here.
[1]Reynolds v. United States (1879) - Bill of Rights Institute
[2]Reynolds v. United States - Wikipedia Edited by NoNukes, : Tweak punctuation and correct one word. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
In other news Trump makes moves in the opposite direction by issuing an executive order targeting an Obama rule intended to protect LGBT and other minorities.
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
That strips away the right of any municipality to enact laws protecting LBGT people from discrimination. The sole motivation for this supposed repeal is to convince the NCAA to resume holding events in North Carolina. The NCAA is holding scheduling meetings on April 18 at which they will decide event sites for the next several year. I believe that the North Carolina legislature has miscalculated. Even if they pass this supposed repeal, they may not agree that it is a real repeal or that it addresses LGBT concerns. And even if events are initially scheduled in NC, public pressure could easily result in those events being pulled again. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
When I said action based on belief also must be allowed I certainly did not mean anything illegal or dangerous, the point was that Christian action is none of those things, it's completely benign. We aren't jihadists or polygamists or human sacrificers or any of the rest of it. The worst we do is evangelize on street corners, ring bells for donations at Christmastime and that sort of thing. If it weren't for the gay marriage law there would never have been a conflict between Christian belief and secular law.
Such things as Muslims taking up whole streets for their prayers is something else. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: When I said action based on belief also must be allowed I certainly did not mean anything illegal or dangerous, the point was that Christian action is none of those things, it's completely benign. Utter nonsense Faith. The law suits were brought ONLY because the so called Christians were doing things that were illegal.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
When I said action based on belief also must be allowed I certainly did not mean anything illegal or dangerous, the point was that Christian action is none of those things, it's completely benign. As I have demonstrated using references and a Supreme Court decision dating from 1878, the idea that actions contrary to law must be allowed has never been the correct interpretation of the First Amendment. Your saying so, over and over, does not advance your argument. Beyond that, it is easy to show with historical actions that the actions of Christians based on their beliefs have not always been benign. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The context was the Jefferson quote.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The context was the Jefferson quote. The context for your remark was a portion of the Jefferson quote, and in picking that out, you missed the thrust of the quote which was that we don't allow small deviations from the law because that invites the larger. Beyond that, your proposed actions towards gay folks, and I say proposed because you don't actually own a bakery, are not harmless, and they are certainly illegal. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Beyond that, your proposed actions towards gay folks, and I say proposed because you don't actually own a bakery, are not harmless, and they are certainly illegal jAs I keep saying, there has never been a conflict between Christian practice -- not some crazy Christians acting on their own misunderstandings but CHRISTIAN PRACTICE -- until the gay marriage law. And that one violates the Bible and not some weirdo misreading of the Bible, so conservative Bible believers are not going to give it up, so persecute us to your heart's content already. .abe: If things keep going as they've been going, it won't be confined to wedding businesses, we'll be getting punished for merely saying that homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is wrong. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1139 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
... Satan is the author of all the other religions, over which demons have installed themselves as gods. So is it acceptable for a Christian to bake a wedding cake for a ceremony where demons are blessing the couple?
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