Can fundamentalists explain Job 26:12-13 for me?

Interesting, I know about Rahab , the Lords harlot, saved and forgiven.. but never focused in on your verses.... Job Yes, but Rahab..... in the waters NO....I like solving mysteries and so let me think and pray about it.

First, worldly Jews, unebelieving Jews like worldly Christians and unbelieveing Christians can deem Job and Gensis as myths, but logical rational scientific real Christians and real Jews would not.Its literal and means what it says when taken together with all other scriptures and science and math, etc etc...So clean up your fragments in your mind and start a fresh.

Let me first answer you Land.. before the others come and demand answers for their questions... so as to stop discussions.**********************Job 26:1 But Job answered and said,
Job 26:2 How hast thou helped [him that is] without power? [how] savest thou the arm [that hath] no strength?
Job 26:3 How hast thou counselled [him that hath] no wisdom? and [how] hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?
Job 26:4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?
Job 26:5 Dead [things] are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.
Job 26:6 Hell [is] naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 26:9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, [and] spreadeth his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Job 26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Job 26:14 Lo, these [are] parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?********************************So do note first of all, that the Earth is hung upon nothing.... it is a planet and is a circle or sphere as mentioned elsewhere in the Old Testament. And note how Job blasts the heathen and those in hell etc.... as they have no covering...Note, that in this same verse, there is an empty space in the north... this being confirmed by astronomers ..... in our time, but lets move on... to the topic more specifically.Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.Crooked serpent, is that what was translated as Rahab in new translations. KJV says crooked serpent and usually this is the best and most consistent translation, rather than Rahab.Lets look into this ?Crooked serpent makes sense, because leviathon was a sea serpent and these sea serpents survived the world wide flood... and leviathon is talked about throughout Job.But Ill have to refresh my memory and do more research and figure out this mystery.Its also beneficial for evolutionists who should be aware of the bible references to stars, and to sea monsters IE Large reptiles in the water or seas, and on land behemoths as again mentioned in Job.Jobs dating is after Creation and not before in some wierd evolutionary eon or era or age.He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Landmark, to get away from the various translations, leading to semantic differences, I shall stick to the tried and proven KJV....only.Rahab, which I had never read before in Job, seems to be some sort of translation of some version concerning the serpent, or monster or sea reptile, that Job refers to... rather confusing, using the Name Rahab for a sea reptile complicating the great story and truth and true history of Rahab the harlot who helped the faithful Jews to conquer Jericho..SEE WallsofJerichoSo there be our first answer.... poor translation, but lets stick to the meaning of the word.... crooked serpent or sea reptile.... so we get away from the semantics that some seminarians or cemetarians get into to justify their semantic studies. and a wasting away of their lifes.

The crooked serpent of Job 26 is referenced many times by Job in His BOOK of TRUTH.Great read for anyone, great moral, great TRUTHS.SEE Google search as levaithon is the crooked serpent mentioned elsewhereleviathan bible verse - Google SearchOk study these websites and read your KJV and reply with comments etc..Get back to me on this before others try and interuprt this discussion.ThanksYours TrulyDavidEdited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

My favorite chapter is probably Job 38.Here the Lord blasts man and mankind, mocking them for their arrogance when they weren't there when the Lord created all things, and the breadth of the Earth..The diameter of the Earth, you know 7290 miles, the one the heathen and atheists and evolutionist so hate to consider.. fantastic BOOK of JOB, Let'em have it Lord, and He does...Buck up man, for He demands of them and tells them to ANSWER... But oh how the heathen and atheists and evolutionists hate to answer anything..Job 38:4
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 Or [who] shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, [as if] it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed [place], and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; [and] caused the dayspring to know his place;
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Job 38:14 It is turned as clay [to] the seal; and they stand as a garment.
Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

LamarkNewAge, you see Job is about the beginning when the Lord created the earth, Sun, Moon and stars etc...as stated concisely in Genesis.Its not myth, its about the Lord blasting the heathen for not knowing the measure of the Earth and the cornerstone of the Earth (Giza etc..)They dont know the Golden Section or the cornerstone foundation, also called the capstone and refuse to answer when asked questions, because they literally dont know..Job 38:5 Who hath laid the MEASURES thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;The heathen dont want to know or study the "MEASURES' of the Earth.Are you starting to catch it now, LamarkNewAge ?

LaMark, do notice that as you read Job further, another strange and different and wonderful creature shows up, a UNICORN. Again this is not a myth, just because there are none around now.Many of the Lords creatures have gone extinct according to the design of the Lord, dinosaurs, sea serpents, (Leviathon behemouth) and even beautiful unicorns.Read Revelations for some even stranger and more powerful and beautiful creatures or creations.... Anyway you could do the simple GOOGLE SEARCH, but many times evolutionists are afraid to do research unless it involves money and their funding.job unicorns - Google SearchNumbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psalms 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
Psalms 22:21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Lamarknewage.. the original text is KJVJob 2612 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.This is talking about the Lord of Lords and King of Kings also called the Creator or Designer of heaven and Earth, hell and all the creatures HEREIN that have ever been HERE.yes the Lord garnishes the heavens, and Hell is naked before Him, and He smiteth the proud.And Yes, he created the crooked serpent, and all serpents, whethether sea monsters, or whales, or serpents or snakes, or even the serpent in the Garden....Totally consistent and comprehensible, and understandable.It was NOT however before creation in the period of chaos or whatever you stated. It was after Creation when mankind was HERE because we were made in the sixth day of the first week.Job was written afterwards, after Creation.... Job was a human and not a treeshrew....We'll get you more dragon verses in Job afterwards....Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

LaMark, religious cemetarians also called seminarians, study words and definitions and semantics just as the religious biologists called evolutionists study words and word double speak etc etc.... both are the same, and both get paid to use language and translations to confuse their readers and researchers.Job as I have been noting, speaks over and over again about pre flood animals...... and even prophecy as the Lord chides the worldly for not being around when He created all things, and not knowing the future.....For they are as nothing before the Lord, but oh how they howl and grind their teeth....Lets prove this further with the Lords words.... and expland away from dissecting two verses to understanding the whole chapters and whole BOOK.For you know evolutionists'atheists do want to find excuses for them NOT to be scientific and thorough, they just search for excuses, rather than facts and principles. For they are as nothing to the Lord, in their ignorance and arrogance...and Rahab...or pride.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

I accept that Job was a pre flood book where the Lord taught a great true story about Job and his belittling friends and ended it with a victory for Job, when he kept his FAITH until the end despite the putdowns of those around him.Yes the liviathon and behemouth etc... unicorns etc etc.... are there and are proof of pre flood animals and more.....As mentioned translations are the dominion of word twisters like evolutionists and science fiction writers as well as church writers and their cemetery essays of deceit and cons.KJV is good enough and straight forward enough and gives us more than enough consistent evidence that fits the geological record and scientific record and dating record...Besides its principles work and can be tested and proven by the brave..as for talkers and theorists, nothing satisfies them as all they have is theories and semantics.I love the whole book rather than picking out individual vereses or indiovidual words..... I like the forest rather than the bark of one tree..... as evolutionists love barking at the bark rather than seeing the whole picture or the whole principle or reading the whole BOOK.IE they always miss the point and HEREIN they miss the whole point of Job....

If you believe in the demented false science of evolution, you will never understand the truth of the stars and the
Lord's creation. Job, like the others was not deceived when he stated that the Lord created all things including
Arcturus, Orion, and PleiadesJOB 9
1Then Job answered and said,
2I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?
3If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.
4He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
8Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.
10Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without numberFor again, if you believe in evolution and the false science where everything is by chance and coincidence and not by
design and not created by the Lord, then you will not be able to answer the questions posed to JOB..... and you will
not be able to understand the sweet influences of Pleiades... (How much more direct can a verse get, that says
Pleiades effects things HERE on EARTH through the Lords Design)JOB 3827To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?No one can stop the sweet influences of Pleiades and no one can bind the bands of Orion, for they are from the
LORD of LORDS !!!!Do you still think the star's design and motions are of the devil and NOT of the LORD ?(From JobonArcturusOrionandPleiades )And do notice how it fits perfectly with the discussion and the topic exactly, so as to further the discussion and topic and show all Jobs words about the DESIGN of the Creation and the DESIGN of the stars.And the evolutionists whined and whined and complained that they dont know anything about these animals much less about the design of the stars....Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

No, as mentioned and as I have been writing, Job is a great true account of the life of Job who lived before the worldwide flood. Its not myth, its not metaphysical, it is real life of a real person called JOB. No, this dragon is preFlood and Yes unscientific illogical evolutionary non scientists reject this true History. Bib Bang is a LIE and has nothing to do with nothing except in the minds of unconnected evolution/atheists. No, there is no such thing as before time and space... the Lord created all in one WEEK and created the timing mechanism within with the speeds and rotations and revolutions of His Heavenly Objects or Creations Science is not a living entity, the Lord teaches us through His creation and true science which He created that there is no jumbled up stage. Thats evolutionary'atheistic insanity Again that is evolutionary fantasy, nothing existed before physics applied. It was a one step instant process via the Lord. Physics did not apply AFTER creation...thats a pure ridiculous- concept or fantasy. Yes, God made us in His/Her Image... See all the places I have been posting thisMadeinHisImage See also the maybe twenty mathematics ratios etc that detail this, then rewrite your comments concerning His IMage. Thanks I appreciate His methods and keep writing about them, according to scriptures and according to science and according to His Design...... although most others do not, if you appreciate them also, so be it.Onward Christian scientists and writers.IJPDavid

Nah, because JOB 26 is detailing Jobs life and trials and tribulations and OTHER preflood animals as well... rather than just a fallen angel DRAGON, or spiritual entity.Job is detailing or giving a glimpse into real life forms before the FloodIMHOAccording to the whole book of Job..The rebukes of the Lord against the dumb friends of Job and even against Job himself..... are awesome as He keeps saying over and over again...where were you when I created the worlds and where were you when I designed its foundations etc. etc. etc.An awesome anti-evolution BOOK of truths and rebukes and final scenario of events for JOB, who learned the power and might and RIGHT of the Lord of LordsEdited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Heres singular verses on foundations, Read the whole chapter for a clearer insight..Job 38:4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.Job 38:6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;Psalm 11:3If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?Psalm 18:7Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.Psalm 18:15Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.Psalm 82:5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.(From simple internet bible search viaBibleGateway - Keyword Search: foundations )For do notice the synchronization with Pslams written usually by King David of Old, exactly the same principle... not pre-existence but same principle of foundations before the Flood and after the Flood and into the END TIME where the foundations are shaken...(Earthquakes) And thats true geology.. even if the evolutionists can;t handle it or stand up during a minor or major earthquake.True remains..IMHODavid