Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,920 Year: 4,177/9,624 Month: 1,048/974 Week: 7/368 Day: 7/11 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The TRVE history of the Flood...
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 590 of 1352 (807042)
04-30-2017 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by Coyote
04-30-2017 1:01 PM


Re: Back to the flood that never happened...
I predict he won't last much longer here.
DavidJay is a zealot who proclaims victory with every post. When you are on that kind of 'winning streak' you might stick around for quite a while.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 587 by Coyote, posted 04-30-2017 1:01 PM Coyote has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(1)
Message 933 of 1352 (810452)
05-29-2017 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by Davidjay
05-20-2017 11:35 AM


Re: A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination
It is our tradition here not to respond to the moderator when he gives us direction.
No excuses, no explanation. We can make any follow up remarks in the proper forums or directly to the moderator through PM.
The moderator has been extremely patient with you so far...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 922 by Davidjay, posted 05-20-2017 11:35 AM Davidjay has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 934 of 1352 (810474)
05-30-2017 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
04-21-2017 3:00 AM


Re: True history of that shows there was never a Biblical Flood
I've added a correction to that statement in the post
I note that what is left once you start making truthful statements is a substantially weaker argument for accuracy. According to Ussher's chronology, the Exodus was about 850 years post flood. Shem, who is described as living to about 600 apparently did not overlap with Moses at all. Abraham did not write the Torah, and did not overlap with Moses.
Your correction leaves a gaping hole in your argument. Moses recorded oral stories about the Flood and did not overlap with any witnesses. Moses connection with Adam and Eve is even more tenuous and to the days before the creation of man, of course there is no connection.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 354 by Faith, posted 04-21-2017 3:00 AM Faith has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 935 by PaulK, posted 05-30-2017 5:01 AM NoNukes has replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 940 of 1352 (810593)
05-31-2017 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 935 by PaulK
05-30-2017 5:01 AM


Re: True history of that shows there was never a Biblical Flood
I would suggest that "start making truthful statements" would be more accurately phrased as "stop disagreeing with the Bible"
Even with your correction, the result is a bit of a stretch. Moses authorship of the Torah is tradition, rather than something actually something stated in the Bible.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 935 by PaulK, posted 05-30-2017 5:01 AM PaulK has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 941 by PaulK, posted 05-31-2017 1:07 AM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1227 of 1352 (813464)
06-27-2017 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1222 by ICANT
06-27-2017 2:04 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Then show me where my Hebrew words are incorrect and do not mean exactly what I said they mean.
ICANT, we've had the discussion before. You have never been able to show that divide could not apply to separating folks rather than separating dirt. All you have been able to show is your own stubbornness on the issue.
Further, your past discussions with arachno-guy have left the impression that you are not to be taken as an unquestioned expert on Hebrew.
Then show me where my Hebrew words are incorrect
Beyond that, I know there is no semantic position that you won't take in lieu of providing evidence for your own translation. Nobody needs to take anything you say seriously until you provide some support for your own offerings. Your own personal word does not cut it.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1222 by ICANT, posted 06-27-2017 2:04 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1233 by ICANT, posted 06-28-2017 12:52 PM NoNukes has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(3)
Message 1228 of 1352 (813465)
06-27-2017 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1206 by ICANT
06-27-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
I gave you a mechanism. God moved each continent to where they are in a nano second.
No magic at all.
No magic...
What word would you use instead for moving a continent at greater than the speed of light... supernatural? Unearthly?
The term I would use is "made up without any Biblical support".
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1206 by ICANT, posted 06-27-2017 11:38 AM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1235 by ICANT, posted 06-28-2017 1:33 PM NoNukes has replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1229 of 1352 (813467)
06-27-2017 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1211 by ICANT
06-27-2017 12:12 PM


Re: how much water?
Are you going to blame the author for not knowing that the land mass was a lot different when it was in one place than it was when he was observing it? He would have been a Genius, as well as omniscient.
Just what else did the Bible author get wrong?
In fact, if the author was not omniscient, how would he know anything about the Flood? Or about creation. How far do you want to go with this?
I'll take it one step further. If the writer was fallible, then why do you lean on word choice the way you do. Maybe the whole thing is just wrong.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1211 by ICANT, posted 06-27-2017 12:12 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1237 by ICANT, posted 06-28-2017 2:16 PM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(1)
Message 1240 of 1352 (813560)
06-28-2017 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1235 by ICANT
06-28-2017 1:33 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Going it in a nano second is my opinion. The earth was divided some 4k years ago so He had to do it instantly.
Why would it have to be instantly? Nothing in the Bible requires that. Of course you've already acknowledge making up a time of a nanosecond. Why could it not have been in two seconds? Or in an hour?
God gives no details of how He did it.
Fortunately, God left you to fill in the details for us. Am I right?
God speaks and it is done.
You must be the most evasive poster ever to scribe here. Apparently posting a direct answer to a question is some kind of losing proposition for you.
Again, you tell us that the author of the Bible was not omniscient and your interpretation even assumes that the author was mistaken. Given that, and your propensity to make up the details, perhaps I should continue the discussion with people who at least have a reason for what they say.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1235 by ICANT, posted 06-28-2017 1:33 PM ICANT has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1263 of 1352 (813948)
07-03-2017 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1261 by ICANT
07-02-2017 10:15 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Where in the context of those verses does it support you claim?
Easily answered. Consider the third cited usage:
3. Psa 55:9 a man was praying for God to split the peoples tongue's[sic]
So why would this be a literal splitting of the tongue and not a request to separate folks as was done in the Tower of Babel incident? This is not my argument, but the one given by AIG.
Did the Continents Split Apart in the Days of Peleg? | Answers in Genesis
quote:
Palag
This Hebrew word palag is used only three times in Scripture outside of Genesis 10. In 1 Chronicles 1:19 it repeats Genesis 10:25. In one case it refers to a splitting of a water channel when it overflows in poetic Job 38:25. The other usage is in Psalm 55:9 where it refers to splitting of people. David was speaking of his enemies and was asking the Lord to judge them with the splitting of their tongues. Obviously, David was conjuring thoughts of the Tower of Babel and tongue-shifting there.
Peleg’s name was a direct derivation of palag, and considering the context of Genesis 10, it makes sense this Hebrew name was indeed referring to the linguistic division. So there would be no reason to distance from this plain interpretation.
Given the paucity of usages in the text, with at least two of the four having context suggesting the same interpretation, your argument cannot be considered conclusive.
And of course there is also the issue that we know that the Bible does tell us that the folks of earth were scattering according to language, so saying that David asking that the same thing be done to his detractors is at least reasonable.
I would further add that the usage to mean splitting of a water course really does not serve your purpose very well. You don't need to split a land mass to divide a water course. I don't see any reason why a word that means to divide a people could not also be used to talking about dividing up a water course, and you have not made a case that it does not.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1261 by ICANT, posted 07-02-2017 10:15 PM ICANT has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1264 by PaulK, posted 07-03-2017 3:30 AM NoNukes has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024