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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
CRR writes: Actually that is pretty much a hyperbolic statement of what evolutionists claims. It would be extremely helpful if you would use scientific statements instead of hyperbolic ones.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
CRR writes: Actually you're right, they don't give a definition of kind in the linked article. But I have previously given my definition in Message 644However the question of how members of a kind are determined is covered in there. Defining what a holobaramin is does not tell us how you determine which species belong in an holobaramin. You don't list any criteria for determining which species belong to the same kind.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Biologists regularly cite antibiotic resistance as an example of evolution. Antibiotic resistance is nothing more than natural selection. No biologists calls natural selection evolution. None. Furthermore, if natural selection is "evolution" and common descent is "evolution", how can evolution not be used as evidence of evolution?
Are you drunk?
This was one of the accusations used against Christ's followers when the Holy Spirit visited them on the Day of Pentecost. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Coyote writes:
"This theory (evolution) has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless". Its an interesting question--why do creationists so often want to meddle in science and quibble about definitions?Its certainly not to benefit science. - (the late) Louis Bouroune, Professor of Biology, University of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Thanks for that, Dredge. Could you please provide an exact reference to the original document where he wrote/said that?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Dredge writes: "This theory (evolution) has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless".- (the late) Louis Bouroune, Professor of Biology, University of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum. I don't suppose you are, but just in case you're interested in the truth of that quote please read this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part12.html But you could skip that because hunting for people that have said things that you hope support your fantasies is a lost cause
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
According to Talk Origins, the quote comes from Bouroune's book, Determinism and Finality, p.79. But according to TO, the quotes don't match, so I don't know what's going on there. Perhaps this is a lame attempt to discredit the quote; Talk Origins is hardly a trustworthy source of facts, after all. The quote may come from a different source other than the one claimed by TO.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Dredge writes: According to Talk Origins, the quote comes from Bouroune's book, Determinism and Finality, p.79. But according to TO, the quotes don't match, so I don't know what's going on there. Perhaps this is a lame attempt to discredit the quote; Talk Origins is hardly a trustworthy source of facts, after all. The quote may come from a different source other than the one claimed by TO. Well TO tells us that "So far as the research below demonstrates, this quotation appears to be a mistakenly jumbled combination of statements made by two different people at least 36 years ago" So I suggest you go back to YOUR source - presumably some creationist quote mine - and tell us its origin properly.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
That's why I'm asking, you, personally, Dredge, to provide the exact references to the original. This will enable us to try and verify it, ourselves.
Don't tell me you quoted from somewhere without reading the original sources? I don't think you will pass any first year science course at any University...
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Ok, let's solve it. On evc there is a function where the originals could be sent privately through the admins of this site. No infringement on copy rights, etc. Could you send me the original source of the quote you provided?
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Biologists regularly cite antibiotic resistance as an example of evolution. Antibiotic resistance is nothing more than natural selection. Nope.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
IOW, Dredge was clearly quoting a creationist lie.
What are you willing to bet the Dredge never follows that link? That Dredge will just keep himself willfully ignorant of the truth?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: Biologists regularly cite antibiotic resistance as an example of evolution. Antibiotic resistance is nothing more than natural selection. False. The emergence of antibiotic resistance also includes random mutations and/or horizontal genetic transfer followed by natural selection. The combination of genetic changes and natural selection adds up to evolution.
Furthermore, if natural selection is "evolution" and common descent is "evolution", how can evolution not be used as evidence of evolution? First, natural selection nor common descent are evolution. Secondly, are you saying that observations of evolution in action is not evidence for evolution? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: Talk Origins is hardly a trustworthy source of facts, after all. That, my friend, is what we call projection. You go to creationist websites that publish known lies. You repeat them. When those lies are exposed, you try to diminish this problem by calling everyone else liars. When you are ready to stop repeating creationist lies published on creationist websites, let us know.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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