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Author | Topic: Re-enactments of the Noah's Ark voyage? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Bonobojones Inactive Member |
Sorry. No moon pool allowed as it is not mentioned. Aso, just the sheer engineering problems with trying to incorporate on in a large wooden craft would rule it out. Also, a moon pool could not drain hull leakage as the pool level would be equal to the level outside the hull. If you tried to pressurize the interior to make the moon pool at a lower level, you would blow the caulking out of the plank seams. Try doing a bit of research on wooden vessel construction.
The same problem exists, structuraly, for a huge side door. A door would create problems with the force flow distibution around the hull. Keep in mind that a boat's hull flexes with the motions of the sea and a large door on the side, near the water line, well...."how long can you tread water?"
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The side door closing flush will not affect the fluid dynamics of water flow, because the sea anchors would continually keep the ark with the waves, cutting the waves, the waves wouldn't be bashing the sides of the ark, God told Noah to build an ark, the door need not be a big door, simply big enough for immature creatures to enter, he could of ripped the door open if the creatures got too big, during the flood, to beable to exit, etc...
One of the reasons for a moon pool is to take up some of the flex stresses, and the moon pool level would change as the ark went cut through the waves, with the windows closed and the cracks in the windows, it would of allowed forced air ventilation, we can have a little wooden roof cover finished above the windows, to prevent the rain from coming in, and to divert waves crashing over the bow, the pulsating wave action would increase the air pressure just enough inside the ark, so the moonpool level would be lower than the outside water hull level, the wave pulse energies would be converted to air ventilation, the moon pool could drain hull leakage if the lower levels was sealed off from the higher levels, etc... P.S. I suppose an ark could be built without a moon pool, the bible doesn't explain how he built the interior of the ark, either, so you could say it doesn't exclude a moon pool, but it doesn't mention one either, if the lower level was filled with water, it should help strengthen the ark, as it cut through the waves, etc... [This message has been edited by whatever, 01-31-2004]
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: The Bible also doesn't mention propulsion, so it's possible that God told Noah how to construct a nuclear fission reactor. That's not excluded, either. Oh, sure, now I am the one being accused of silliness.
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Bonobojones Inactive Member |
Whatever. Your reply shows a lack of understanding of the dynamics of marine vessel construction. Try doing some studying on the subject before making more stupid claims.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
It appears moon pools are already in use on drilling barges and ore carrying ships, the only reason its not used on other ships is the drag it causes, but the ark only flowed with the wave, so drag would of only made it more stable.
http://www.ocp.tudelft.nl/sh/People/A.Cotteleer.htm Water ballast being used to make a boat ride lower in the waves to reduce hull pounding, supporting water ballast to lower the level the ark rode within the waves, if you compartmentalize to eliminate water sloshing, you could adjust the level the ark sunk into the water to reduce hull pounding. http://users.bigpond.net.au/...-backyard/Water%20Ballast.htm
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
supporting water ballast to lower the level the ark rode within the waves
Ooh! Ooh! You've solved one more Flud problem! Noah used fresh water for ballast, and put one pair each of the unclean fresh-water fish and seven pairs each of the clean down in the ballast compartments! That way they didn't all get pickled by the seawater! And he had the elephants keep the water oxygenated by blowing bubbles with their trunks! Yeah, that's the ticket!
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The fishes probably survived quite well in the stratified layers of freshwater over the continents and the saltier stratified waters layers over the oceans, both ocean fishes and freshwater fishes have a similar saline blood chemistry, so some fishes could be salt water fish that have adapted to freshwater, after the flood, subsided, you have coho salmon that start out as freshwater fish, and spends the rest of its adult live in the sea, you have sea crocks and fresh water crocks, seems natural selection helped creatures adapt both ways, part of natural selection, etc...
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
you have coho salmon that start out as freshwater fish, and spends the rest of its adult live in the sea, you have sea crocks and fresh water crocks, seems natural selection helped creatures adapt both ways, part of natural selection, etc... That's one fish with a specific adaptation to tolerance for changing salinity. That's hardly an ability all fish possess. And what about coral reefs? Coral grows very slowly, so there's no chance all the coral we have today is only 6,000 years old. Therefore some of the coral would have had to live through the flood. But coral is extremely delicate. Changes in salinity, temperature, and even silt content will destory coral. Even slight changes. And coral grows in one place, so it's not like it could swim up to the clearer waters. It's ludicrous to suggest that a flood that deposited a km of sediment on the entire Earth's surface somehow was able to leave a clear bubble right over the Great Barrier reef. Since a lot of the Earth's coral is older than when the flood is supposed to have happened, and since it wouldn't have survived the flood, clearly the flood did not occur.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The minerals in the ocean could of cleared the silt, quite quickly, the coral reproduce in two ways, some actually are carried by the currents(flood works), when one lands on a suitable habitat, they grow quite quickly in tropical temps, the tides could of built up the reefs by depositing sediments, which would of washed it around the coral because of the minerals in the ocean, it wouldn't become turbid, it would just settle around the coral, etc...
P.S. Why would not the sediments settle quickly, the minerals in the Ocean would be clearing the waters, preventing silt from sticking to the corals (by satisfying the electric charges), allowing the reefs more nutrients, and building up the reefs quickly, etc...
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Why would not the sediments settle quickly Because they're boiling up out of the "fountains of the deep", remember? So the water is hot and pressurized, and that's going to mean the oceans are going to be quite turbid for a while. Like, the way a jaccuzi keeps swirling under the surface even after you've turned it off. This isn't a gentle flood, like filling a pool. This is a violent, turbid event. Stuff isn't going to settle out of that water for a long time.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
For the steam to come back to earth, it has to cool, so whats happening at the ocean ridges is not whats falling from the sky, but the fish would be protected by the waters, from the sediments falling, and the minerals (calcium, iron, aluminum, etc...) in the ocean would continually be clearing the turbidity caused by the sediments, by causing these colloidal sediments to settle, the basalt sediments themselves would have a lot of iron helping these basalt pulverized sediments to settle quite quickly.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
For the steam to come back to earth Back to earth? You're skipping ahead - how does it get above the Earth? If it's coming from sea-floor vents, there's a lot of water in the way. All that water/steam shooting out of the sea-floor vents (or whatever) is going to stir up the water like the steam wand on an espresso machine. The result? Turbid, silty water and dead coral. The observation? Living coral. Ergo the flood did not occur.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The waters were erupting out laterally on each side of the crack in the tecktonic plates that expanded, since both sides were erupting laterally it was buffering the waters upward (preventing the erupting waters from acting like an expresso machine), where it steamed waters cooled and came back as rain, snow, etc...
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The waters were erupting out laterally on each side of the crack in the tecktonic plates that expanded, since both sides were erupting laterally it was buffering the waters upward Do you need to see a convection diagram to see how wrong this is? Your jets of super-hot pressurized water from below the tectonic plates are going to stir and heat the water on their way up. Maybe you missed that the first time. It doesn't matter what they're coming down as - they've killed the coral on the way up, because they're stirring up the oceans.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The fountains were erupting out with such force it pressed back the oceans, no expresso machine, just steam and sediments blasting upward, then the steam cooling and returning as rain, snow, etc...
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