Evidence of the flood

The erosion is minuscule, like rubble between layers caused by runoff or perhaps a shifting of the rocks causing abrasion. Erosion of the sort that we find on the surface would look like canyons and cliffs which did finally occur after, ha ha, "millions of years." Ha ha.Sorry about your paradigm blindness.Sure would be nice if there was anyone on the evo side here who could think straight and had the guts to say what needs to be said.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But they don't understand because they misrepresent it. Particularly Percy

The Muav channels were clearly formed after the strata were all in place by liquefied limestone running between the layers.

I think the monadnocks were pushed up into the still-wet layers after they were all laid down, as part of the tectonic upheaval that occurred at that point, that tilted the blocks we see as the Great Unconformity and pushed them up against the Tapeats, raising it along with the whole stack. The evidence is the curve in the Tapeats over those blocks of the GU, and in fact the curve of the entire stack, into which the canyon itself was cut at the Permian/Kaibab level. (This whole upheaval also put strain on the uppermost strata a mile or more above the Kaibab, which is what began the formation of the canyon by creating cracks in them. That uppermost strata broke up, the Flood waters were receding at this point, in fact probably began to receded as part of this upheaval, poured into the cracks, widening and deepening them, taking chunks of strata with it, and so the canyon was formed. Also the Grand Staircase was formed at the saqme time.)Yes of course I'm repeating myself, it's what I think happened.And the reason the faults in the GU stop at the Tapeats is because they were forming at the same time the whole block was being pushed up and sliding under the Tapeats. There was no continuous contact for them to continue upward due to the slippage between the layers. And all this also occurred in conjunction with the volcanism which became the Cardenas layer as well as the flow in the canyon itself, which formed both the granite and the schist beneath the Tapeats. All in one gigantic post-Flood upheaval. (In fact I've come to think of this as a worldwide event, accounting for all the angular unconformities, all the tectonic stress in all the strata everywhere, all the twisting and upending of the rocks etc., as the continents split apart. All happening as the Flood began to recede, all connected with this tectonic movement of the continents. So the Siccar Point angular unconformity would have occurred at this time too).Further evidence for the timing is that the granite and schist are confined beneath the Tapeats just as the Great Unconformity faults are. The monadnocks are made of that very hard rock I can't at the moment remember the name of {abe: ah, quartzite! /abe} and they were hard enough due to the pressure of all the sub-Tapeats goings-on to be pushed up into the still-damp sediments above, which then settled around them.It all works. You won't accept it but it does all work.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It doesn't look like a surface river bed, it has no features of a riverbed whatever, it's smooth and bald, it looks like a channel cut between the layers, and since it's filled with limestone which often dissolves, forming karsts and so on, which are also in evidence in the GC, it is the best explanation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Of course they don't look like karsts, the liquid was running and formed a channel. Karsts form more chaotically.As for paleosols and termite nests you'd have to show me a picture.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The smooth half-moon shape of the channel.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Those pictures don't help I'm afraid. I can't picture how the items were found in situ from such displays. I don't get what the problem is anyway.Paleosols were probably just organically rich soils that were compressed in the laying down of the strata. Don't have any idea where the supposed termite nests fit into the scenario. Perhaps they too were sandwiched between layers?

See Wikipedia article on "Karst" Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm remembering a different picture. But this one tpo just looks like a smooth-cut channel filled with limestone. A riverbed would have a thick bed of pebbles and stones at the bottom, this is just a smooth surface.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

See Message 719.

Acidic water if I recall correctly.ABE: Yes. From the same Wikipedia article: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Riverbeds are usually lined with pebbles and rocks in my personal experience. The tight-looking contact between the different limestones in that picture has none.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The relative straightness of the contact between it and the redwall suggests the dissolution occurred after the strata were already there, or it should have been the redwall that filled in the channel rather than the different Temple Butte limestone. Acid water cut the channel in the Muav through which a liquefied Temple Butte limestone flowed. It's all different limestones, and there are no pebbles in your riverbed.

Not denial at all. I simply have no idea what you are talking about and the pictures don't help. What's with this "raging" bit? The only raging part would have been at the very beginning and then it most likely quieted down as the water rose over the land. And I find nothing implausible in its having been dislodged with its roots intact. It probably floated pretty well too before getting buried in the sediments.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.