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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Many women have come forward with accusations of sexual harassment and molestation by now President Donald Trump. Here's the brief YouTube video from this past November of 16 of the accusers in their own words:
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
The Washington Post has run an article listing the biggest lies of 2017: The biggest Pinocchios of 2017. Not all the Pinocchios are Donald Trump, but many of them are Trump or surrogates, so I post this here. The article is worth reading, but I summarize the biggest lies of 2017 here:
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NoNukes writes: Tom Perez, Democratic National Committee Chairman: Tax benefits for colleges and students were killed to give a tax break to private jet owners
Okay, where is the lie here? Finally mentioning this just so you know, some issue with your pointing device causes you to very frequently miss the first character of a quote. This just happened again, and I fixed it in my above quote, but in your original you'll see that you said "om Perez" instead of "Tom Perez". This one surprised me, too, because it seemed so minor compared to the others. Here's that part of the The biggest Pinocchios of 2017 article:
quote: I interpreted this as saying two things:
Your mileage may vary, but that's how I interpreted it. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NoNukes writes: nally mentioning this just so you know, some issue with your pointing device causes you to very frequently miss the first character of a quote.
It's not the pointer. It's strictly my use of the pointer. Is the error of some import? o, not at all. ou just seem like a precise kind of guy, so I thought the fact that it kept happening meant it might be something you weren't aware of - after all, who proofreads the paste of a cut-n-paste, so I figured it must have escaped your notice. orget I said anything.
In short, calling the original statement a lie is pretty much indefensible. There is no reason for taking the benefit away other than to try to lessen the impact of the entire tax bill on the deficit. I agree with that last sentence, but about the first, there was no connection in the Senate tax bill version between college related tax benefits and taxes on jet planes, but DNC chairman Tom Perez said there was. They didn't call it a lie, they called it a Pinocchio. See About The Fact Checker at the Washington Post for the details of their Pinocchio rating system. I assume that to make the list a statement had to achieve a rating of 4 Pinocchios, which they define simply as "Whoppers." More generally they seem to define a Pinocchio as a false or misleading comment.
I suspect that someone is trying to make the list l appear a bit less partisan by making sure there are a number of "lefty" lies on the list. I am not impressed. I agree that the Perez comment shouldn't have made the list of top Pinocchios, but I do find the efforts of the media to track lies commendable and laudable. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NoNukes writes: No, that's not what he said. His statement was not intended to be taken to imply a direct one to one correspondence. Here's what Tom Perez, DNC Chairman, said:
quote: To me this declares that there was "a direct one to one correspondence" between "Tax benefits for colleges and students" on the one hand and "a tax break to private jet owners" on the other, so we'll just have to disagree about the meaning of plain English. But I delved into this a little more, and if you give Does the Senate tax bill really offer a tax break for private jets, as key Democrats claim? a read you'll find that what the WP quoted in their "Biggest Pinocchios" article is not what Perez actually tweeted, which was:
quote: That is nowhere near as direct a connection as the other quote. In fact, it looks like nothing more than a sarcastic comment about how the bill hurt higher education and while benefiting private jet owners. It looks innocuous and deserving of maybe a single Pinocchio for getting it wrong that private jet owners received a tax break. I hereby award the Washington Post four Pinocchios, and I now agree with you that that one didn't belong in the list. I'd argue the point with the WP, but I'm not a subscriber, so there are no comment channels open to me. The only reason I can read it at all is because I block Javascript on their pages. I should subscribe, but I already subscribe to the NYT, and I can't afford another subscription.
The provision for taxing grad students did not make it into the reconciled legislation according to what I read minutes ago on CNN. Oh, that's wonderful news. I know people who would have been affected. They've been going crazy. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Rrhain writes: But the thing is, we already had this calculation back when the ACA was being debated. Harvard Medical School produced a study in 2009 that indicated that 45,000 deaths each year due to lack of insurance. If we were to repeal the ACA and not replace it, we would go back to that situation we had before and there's no reason that people without health insurance would suddenly not die. If you look at Bernie Sanders’s claim that ‘36,000 people will die yearly’ if Obamacare is repealed you'll see that more recent numbers are available now, and you'll see discussed why they gave Bernie four Pinocchios.
Regarding Harris' comments,... The blurb says that Harris incorrectly characterized the GOP plan as denying coverage to people with preexisting conditions, and that she confused employer-provided insurance with individual insurance, and in that way arrived at a figure nearly an order of magnitude larger than the total number of people in the individual market regulated by the ACA. The bad math alone seems to make it a four Pinocchio remark. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NoNukes writes: Sigh. Jet owners was surely meant as a euphemism for "really rich folks". No direct connection between tax benefits was ever intended. No, this would be incorrect. This is discussed in detail in Does the Senate tax bill really offer a tax break for private jets, as key Democrats claim?, whose link also appeared in the message you just replied to. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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The Republican tax bill has passed, President Trump will sign it, then it will be the law of the land. Speaking at today's signing President Trump made two admissions:
See Trump just admitted the GOP’s tax cuts were deceptively sold --Percy Edited by Percy, : Correct that Trump hasn't signed the bill yet. Evidently there was no signing at yesterday's ceremony. Trump may wait until January to sign the bill.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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No one captures the depth of folly of Trump's willful and ill-considered blunder of recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel by moving the American Embassy there from Tel Aviv better than Samantee Bee of Full Frontal. Enjoy.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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This editorial from the Washington Post, Trump’s successes are thanks to Republicans. His failures are thanks to Trump, is kind of mundane, except for these two paragraphs near the end that briefly yet thoroughly enumerate the many Trump "accomplishments":
quote: I hear attacks on Social Security and Medicare are next, because the tax cuts must be paid for, and the money has to come from somewhere. If it hurts somebody, damages a cherished institution, ruins relationships with allies, or just causes general chaos, Trump wants to do it. I can't help but see parallels of those complicit in Trump's government to those in Hitler's. It isn't like the evil is subtle. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Many will like this somewhat poetic New York Times editorial on what we have lost over the past year:
I post a lot of editorials, those I think that best express with clarity our political predicament in this time of Trump. I hope people enjoy them. Or can even read them. The NYT allows non-subscribers 10 free articles or columns per month for free, while the Washington Post allows no access to non-subscribers. You can get around this if you know how to disable Javascript for individual websites. Do this for the Post and you'll be able to read most of their content, though some things, like images and videos, can't be viewed. By the way, I'm against stealing content, I'd like to pay for what I read, but there are many news websites out there and I, like many others I'm sure, cannot afford to subscribe to more than a couple of them. I wish there was a news consolidator site that provided access to all or at least many major newspapers for a single monthly fee. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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What magical powers does Trump possess that turns normal human beings into sycophants. Here's the embarrassing list of Mike Pence's praise from yesterday's cabinet meeting, taken from In Cabinet meeting, Pence praises Trump once every 12 seconds for three minutes straight:
But wait, there's more! These are comments made at a celebration outside the White House with House and Senate Republicans and is condensed from Republicans celebrate their tax bill and heap praise on Trump
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un must be looking on in envy and contemplating a shakeup in his leadership cadre to fill it's rolls with those who can exceed the fawning sycophantry of Trump's bootlickers. Well, I guess better a groveler's race than a nuclear one. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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In Wednesday's New York Times columnist Yascha Mounk wrote an opinion piece titled The Real Coup Plot Is Trump’s. It takes as an example of the Trumpian assault on truth the recent attempts to discredit the Mueller investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. I've excerpted some of the high points:
quote: --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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In the new American ambassador to the Netherlands, Pete Hoekstra, Trump may have met his match when it comes to layering lie upon lie. Here's an approximation of a reporter's interview with Hoekstra that I pieced together from Trump’s ambassador to the Netherlands just got caught lying about the Dutch:
Reporter: "Why in a 2015 conference did you say there are 'no go' areas in the Netherlands where radical Muslims are setting cars and politicians on fire?" Hoekstra: "That's fake news." Reporter: [plays video clip where Hoekstra says, "The Islamic movement has now gotten to a point where they have put Europe into chaos. Chaos in the Netherlands, there are cars being burned, there are politicians that are being burned....And yes, there are no-go zones in the Netherlands."] Reporter: "So why did you call it fake news." Hoekstra: "I didn't call that fake news. I didn't use the words today. I don't think I did." Needless to say this isn't going over very well in the Netherlands. Sample headline: "The new Trump Ambassador to the Netherlands, Pete Hoekstra, lies about his own lies." Hoekstra was born in the Netherlands but was raised in the US. From the article I linked to at the top:
quote: Sounds like the Dutch are direct and to the point. I like them! --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
nwr writes: Odd. I have never had a problem accessing Washington Post.
You can get around this if you know how to disable Javascript for individual websites. Okay. It must be because I use "noscript" with firefox. Even with Javascript is enabled (I can't figure out how to disable Javascript in Chrome on my iPad - it may not be possible), any Washington Post article listed by Google News is accessible, so you can access any of the other Washington Post articles by taking the headline from the Washington Post site, searching for that title in Google News, then clicking on the link that comes up. You can also "spoof" the system and read any article at the Washington Post by replacing the Washington Post URL in the Google News URL with the URL of the Washington Post article you want to read. I should add that lately, occasionally this doesn't work some days. The Washington Post may be working on disabling this loophole. The Wall Street Journal is locked up tight. I haven't figured out a way to get in. After the 10 free articles the New York Times appears to be locked up tight, too. Disabling Javascript used to work, but they closed that loophole a couple years ago.
I would really like to see nytimes, wapo, and several other papers get together and form a consortium. The idea would be that you could be a paid subscriber to the consortium, and then pick and choose which articles you want to read. This is my wish, too, anything along these lines. --Percy
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