Human Intelligence

Skeptic,The term accident is a human term, it don't exist in reality. Everythng is just a long stream of cause and effect. Nothing happens for a "purpose" or "no-purpose", these are mearly human values applied to occurances we percive.Everything is the result of a cause, things knocking in to each other etc.

I bow before you :ae:, hehhe...Actually, I do have a vague idea about some of these things, and while I agree with you about things at the quantum level being acausal, my point had more to do with Skeptics use of the word "accident".An accident implies intention (or lack therof), thus, to say that humans are here by accident, or that the universe formed by accident, seems to me a silly statement.These things are, for whatever reason, (causal or acausal ), by no ones intention at all. That's what I meant about acciden being a human value imposed on a simply existing universe. All things, on the phisical level at least, being results of a long chain of causality, lacking any intention at all.Sort of like saying, the wind blows by accident. Or somesuch. hehehe... ... umm.... ya

Hey skeptic,I was a bit brief in my last post to you, I was kind of busy when I jumped into the topic. Anyway, I covered most of what I meant in my post to :ae: above, but Ill add alitle more with refrence to your last response to me. Indeed, all words are human. I was trying to stress the idea that things like "accidental" are values that don't exist in the phisical world. Accident implies intention (or lack thereof), yet there is no reason we should impose intention upon the things around us. After all, a rock dosn't intend to be inanimate does it? Does the wind intend to blow? Likewise, does the universe intend to expand?You see, it is unfair to try and impose these idea of an accident where the concept is non-existant. i.e. outside of the human mind, there are no accidents, just cause and effect. Im saying that the qusion of weather or not, inteligence, the universe, et al. is accidental, is a useless one, since the term accident isn't something applicable outside of human perception.Because of this, we need not impose the idea of a first cause either. There is nothing to indicate that a first cause is even necissary. It seems, things just are Or maybe :ae: has some excelent factoids on this subject