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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Sincerely, True Grit See. This place is just a whole lot more fun when there are people we can kick who then kick back without all the self-pitying whines. Love ya' Faith.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
A new language is a good thing except when no one else on the planet uses it.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Is 30 days excessive? That depends on what the goal is.
If the goal is to give Faith pause to contemplate her blatant violation of the forum rules by getting acerbically personal in her insult, then yes, I think 30 days is a bit harsh. Lord knows we've seen worse around here with less punishment, though I acknowledge this is a repeat offense and probably deserves more time. Still, if a reaction to her repeated offense, 30 days is, imho, excessive. However, if the goal is to get rid of her, this just might do it.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Apparently EvC is now the place where ideas get silenced for there phailure to conform to the accepted political agenda. I know what you mean, Jon. Humans have developed a wide spectrum of political opinion, some even abhorrent to a common decent person steeped in the abysmal history of human action. We just can't seem to help it, though. Private groups just seem to insist on setting standards of decency for their discussions and that has become a real problem. Yep, a really major problem. I am appalled that such a decency standard has reared it decent head here at EvC. I am embarrassed to be a member of a decent group of decent people. Yep, embarrassed. You can't see it but I am all red in the face right now. Though that may just be the wine. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Message 259 banning Faith.
I agree. However ...
it is not entirely Faiths fault---she is often goaded by other members who know just how to push her buttons. There was some very aggressive button pushing in play here. Where is the ban on those initiators? Seems a bit one-sided from here.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Nobody is getting banned or suspended for any length of time-- Faith suspended 4 days seems a length of time to me. But the offending message I have in mind did take place before your well deserved timeout. Your call. I have no quibbles to make.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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For what it's worth.
I think Tanypteryx made that comment as a (rather harsh) example of what was being discussed in thread. An instructive model. I think Tany coulda/shoulda known Faith was incapable of discerning the nuance of the instructive model and that she would take it as a personal affront as the model was meant, in an instructive way, to elicit. Further, I think Tany probably saw in his own mind that this response would toe right up to the line not too terribly concerned about Faith's reaction because, well, it really was a great instructive model in that thread at that time. Or, I could be wrong.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Reviewing the dark side of your bible
Message 8 This is a cult. This webpage preaches falsehoods. We are not gods. and I'll not have you spamming EvC Forum with this malarkey. Please move on... They are all cults, Phat. celestialGyoud, Faith, GDR, Dredge, jar, you. All are cults. But you don't especially like this one. It calls your bible, the central tome of your cult, demon inspired ... evil. You are an admin on a secular site. Why the religious suppression? Will you be deleting Hyroglyphx next for his evil views on gun control? Consider this, Phat. If celestialGyoud's religious views are so disturbing and wrong then the marketplace of free ideas is where this will be revealed. In an open free society, the kind most of us want to live within, you can't oppose an idea by blindly censoring its view. Let it die of its own stench in the human memenome. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Phat's one of the good guys.
He just sometimes thinks with his religious human heart instead of his secular admin head.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 135
Really? This is your site, Percy, but instead of being an asshole, just suspend her. This is beneath you.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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None of us have any right to participate on this platform. We are guests. But the rest of us get to express ourselves as we so chose (with small exceptions) except for this most egregious case with Faith.
We can handle it. We're all adults here. Words, even the most caustic (within the bounds of civil propriety as in not swearing every other word like kids) have power and when wielded like a scalpel can cut deeply. But this is political, not childish vulgarity for vulgarity sake. This *is* Percy's house and he gets to control the tone. I just wish he was more tolerant with political expression. A lot of the rest of this community already stands to confront the crazy on this site with no uncertain zeal. We can handle Faith without the the heavy hand. When things degenerate into constant personal insults you mods have ways of dealing. Calling liberals "Stalinists" or conservatives "alt-reich Nazis" are NOT personal insults but are political ones and well pointed at that. Everyone here can give as politically hard as we politically get. Suspensions are appropriate in harder cases but this ******* ********** **** **** is just childish and, IMHO, should be abandoned. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Oh, be still my wordsmith’s pen.
What in this exchange with Taq do you find objectionable? This is a political discussion and politics are fraught with cutting emotion. I do not see egregious insult in this exchange. This is sharp expression in rejecting the question Taq was presenting. Not bad form either, being both back- and high-handed, but it is not to the level of egregious hatred that this community should reject. We have all seen when Faith goes off the deep end totally losing her ability to communicate in anything other than seething hostility. This example does not fit that pattern. Instead, what I see here is an oversensitivity to sharp expression. Word censure. Now if she had called him a Trump-hating faggot liberal asshole who hates America and should leave or die then that might be cause for action as in suspension not asterisks. Censuring evil ideas and egregious repulsive conduct with suspension is one thing. Hobbling the expression of ideas with asterisks is a totally different thing. You have built a wonderful and worthy house here, Percy, and I appreciate the invite to visit here, but, the asterisks are a major distraction in the dcor and, imho, should be taken out back and burned.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Including the word 'like'? I don't think that was intentional. I'm thinking it is an inadvertent victim of the attempt to limit creative spelling of some banned words. Unintended consequences that should be unacceptable. Thank you for bringing that up, caffeine.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Then suspension is a remedy. It works, eventually, when the suspensions become permanent. Not a happy prospect but, if necessary, such is an option.
But until then a couple days or weeks or months here and there when appropriate would be preferable to *********. And lest we forget, we're not talking just Faith here. I myself have been on the ********* side of the ********* as others are still. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Do you think the exchange Percy cited above with Taq warrants restriction or suspension?
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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