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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Apparently EvC is now the place where ideas get silenced for there phailure to conform to the accepted political agenda. I know what you mean, Jon. Humans have developed a wide spectrum of political opinion, some even abhorrent to a common decent person steeped in the abysmal history of human action. We just can't seem to help it, though. Private groups just seem to insist on setting standards of decency for their discussions and that has become a real problem. Yep, a really major problem. I am appalled that such a decency standard has reared it decent head here at EvC. I am embarrassed to be a member of a decent group of decent people. Yep, embarrassed. You can't see it but I am all red in the face right now. Though that may just be the wine. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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Jon writes: Apparently EvC is now the place where ideas get silenced for there phailure to conform to the accepted political agenda. Though it was closed a few days ago, I presume you're referring to With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births?. Discussion had been moderate in tone, so I'll open it up again.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 888 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Percy, Regarding your moderator decision in Life - an Unequivicol Definition - Message 335
I completely agree that the discussion about continuums has gone on far too long and is rather pointless. Also agree that arguments based on strict dictionary definitions should be stopped. However, I think your decision that the conclusion of the matter is that there is a continuum between life and non-life goes a bit too far. It seems to me that is the whole point AOk is trying to establish (although he has seemingly said contradictory things regarding that point). Perhaps the ruling should be that we all agree that there is a continuum between chemicals and biotic organisms so we can move past the discussion about continuums. However, what AOk needs to do is switch tactics and show that his proposed definition (in particular production of ATP) has some meaningful capacity to separate this continuum into two discrete categories: life and non-life (meaningful being the key word). HBD Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi herebedragons,
I appreciate the feedback and understand the point you're making, but it is my view that to accept that "there is a continuum between chemicals and biotic organisms" is to accept the quibbling about definitions. As Percy I did at one point express my willingness to accept AlphaOmegakids' vocabulary with the proviso that it be understood it was just to help discussion move forward and that I believed there was no particularly meaningful difference between life/chemicals and living/non-living (see my 2nd para of Message 275). He didn't follow up in any meaningful or constructive way. The way people generally make clear their meaning is not by contriving ever more precise word definitions that are then employed in neat and precise sentences. Rather, people make clear what they mean by explaining over and over again using a variety of approaches and vocabulary. It becomes easier as common understandings develop, to the point where people usually understand what is meant even when wrong words are used or words are missing. Some of us do have a gift for brief and clear explanations composed on the fly, but most people struggle to achieve brevity and clarity, probably because brevity and clarity are at cross purposes with complexity and detail.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 888 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Yea, OK. I get your point. AOk does not appear to really be interested in moving the discussion forward anyway, otherwise he would have done so when he had the opportunity.
HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... but it is my view that to accept that "there is a continuum between chemicals and biotic organisms" is to accept the quibbling about definitions. ... Cat's Eye did a yeoman's job pursuing that issue and I see no point in continuing an argument where nothing further will result. The horse IS dead (long live the horse). Another benefit to declaring that the discussion of continua is over is that this will force AOK to deal with other comments and not hid in responses ad nauseum on what is and is not a continuum. Such as the problems with multicellular life that arise from his definition. Thanks. Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Message 24
and here
Message 333 but Adminphat has already seen that one. Edited by Coyote, : Add a second one
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I may be over-reacting, but this really rubbed me the wrong way.
Message 154 quote: This is some mutha-fucking click-bait right here. The author has become an advertisement. It is even complete with the "you won't believe X!" that you see all over Facebook's click-bait. It's already a violation of the bare link rule, but this type of post in particular needs to never become a thing here. JonF, you have become an ad. You should have just made you point and you should have just told us how much she wants. You should not bait us into clicking on your link, that is some serious bullshit right there. Your post was bad, and you should feel bad. And you should promise to not be an ad anymore.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I am actually clueless why Cat Sci has a problem with the post. It is a link to a legitimate new site with an actual news article.
I have no idea why he is referring to it as an ad. We link to news articles all of the time here. Why has this one insulted your sensibilities? Here is the text of the article.
quote: It is even complete with the "you won't believe X!" that you see all over Facebook's click-bait.
Wow!Tell you what, just don't click. Is your problem the fact that they have a liberal slant? Don't care. What is wrong with the article? Is any of it untrue? Are they making claims no other news organization is? Didn't think so.
It's already a violation of the bare link rule, but this type of post in particular needs to never become a thing here.
Oh yes, arbiter of all that is good and just. Yes you are overreacting and again letting your biases show.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I didn't call the article an ad, I called JonF an ad. And of course I didn't click on the link. The reason it pissed me off is because the post was click-bait. It had nothing to with the content of the article, ya dingus.
ABE: the author I referred to was the author of Message 154, JonF. Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It looks like the Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread thread is now epic-ally derailed down another Faith vortex, which (while entertaining) no longer serves it's original purpose. Looks like it could be turned into 2 or 3 new topics.
TortureImmigration Gay Marriage Incarceration\Detention camps Instead of discussing the last GOP debate (where everyone called each other liars) or the Dem Town Hall, where Hillary said Bernie was impractical but that she would do everything he said and then more, go further ... Or Cruz ad portraying Rubio sucking up to Obama in a photoshopped picture ... because "TRUSTED" {Note: Admin Admin comment at topic in question, here - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add note.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is there anyway to actually encourage Bob Bobber to participate in discussion in his thread or is it simply there for him to cut and past material from all the other forums he's spammed with his epistle?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I've been following the discussion but had decided not to intercede until someone posted here. I'll check the latest posts and decide what to do.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Sorry you didn't like it. It was posted in many mainstream places, and a quick Google would confirm it.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Sorry you didn't like it. It was posted in many mainstream places, and a quick Google would confirm it. Your Message 154 was posted in many mainstream places? The message you submitted here, and not the article you linked to, is what I'm complaining about. The message you submitted was a click-bait ad and has no place here.
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