Religion or Science - How do they compare?

Again, of course religion like capitalism and socialism and communism and guns and throwing stones and spears and ... are human creations.And yes, really bad things have been done through religion and justified by religion but also good things and beautiful things and kind things have been done through religion.No movement, no political system has been more effective at genocide than Christianity. But within Christianity there is also a procedure, one of the basic and required procedure, designed to address such issues.Once again, it is the people that do not use the tool provided that creates the problem. Christianity in general has not acknowledge and bewailed its manifold sins and wickedness, made an effort of recompense, made an effort to not commit the same sins and wickedness in the future.IMHO much of that can be attributed to the perversion common in much of Christianity of "Christ died for our sins".

You really need to stop reading lying sources. There are no curses against Christ in the Talmud or the Tanakh.

Sorry faith that is only two falsehoods from you in one post; you must be off your feed.The Tanakh is NOT the Bible.And the Babylonian Talmud is hardly concerned with the fledgling Christianity.

Utter and complete BULLSHIT Faith. The Norther Protestant congregations were as racist as their Southern Kissin Kuzins.And ask the Native Americans. It was the Methodist and Baptist and Protestant preachers that put the kids in schools, changed their names, forbade them from speaking their languages or practicing their religions.NO organization has committed more genocide than Christianity.

Correct Faith. People saying Jesus was a bastard is never justification for any antisemitism.

Well Faith, destroying a culture, forbidding a religion, no allowing a peoples to speak their own language, destroying their sacred sites, making them change their names, dress, hair style and ethnically cleaning vast areas of the nation are genocide.

First Faith, stop lying. STOP LYING!I am a Christian, and I have no anti-Christian bias. You lying about me changes nothing.Second, even if you believed that the Native Religions were of the devil (an utterly stupid thing for you to say) it still does not justify genocide.

No Shit Sherlock.People believe lots of really stupid things like Young Earth or some Biblical Flud or Inerrant Bibles.

Yet the fact remains that I am a Christian, a member of a recognized Christian sect and that I have no anti-Christian bias. You repeatedly misrepresenting reality does not change reality.Yet the fact remains that Christianity has a long history of forcing people to adopt Christianity, of driving non-believers from their homes and lands, of forcing peoples to drop their language, dress, habits, religion, culture and of desecration of their sacred sites.That is classic genocide Faith.

Why? Specifics Phat. What have I called a lie (and I do limit the term "lie" to specific instances) as opposed to falsehoods or misrepresentations that was not an out and out lie?Read what I write Phat. I try not to use terms like lie loosely.And should the apologists come here and post I will respond to them just as I would to any poster.

What she believes is irrelevant to whether or not she is lying. If it is false, and she has been shown it is false, and she continues to repeat it, she is lying.The easiest person to lie to is oneself.That is important.The easiest person to lie to is oneself.Lots of things can be simply a matter of opinion, but most things can be supported by evidence. My membership in a recognized Chapter of Club Christian can be supported by fact. The Episcopal Church has a registry of every member (most of the major denominations as well) and you are entered into the communion. If you change churches, that membership gets transferred from the old to the new Parish. The system exists and has existed now for many centuries.If Faith would say, "I don't believe you are a Christian" then I'd just laugh at her. If Faith says "You are not a Christian" then she is lying.

Again, I do not (or at least try very hard to not) ever do that.When I use the term lying I mean instances where there is positive evidence that the person is lying and the person has been told about that evidence. There is no evidence of any such thing as a Spiritual War and I do not think I have ever said someone was lying for making such a silly claim. But it is a silly claim until and unless it can be supported by reason, logic or reality. Nor have I ever attacked the divinity of Jesus. Phat, when you say that are you not exhibiting the very example of lying both to yourself and to all the readers of this board?

If they express them as views or beliefs rather than facts then it's unlikely anyone would say they are lying.If Faith said "I don't believe Roman Catholics are Christians."; then she is just showing her utter ignorance.If faith says "Roman Catholics are not Christians."; then she is lying.

That does not change reality.

I'm sorry but there I most definitely disagree.Repeating falsehoods, even if you believe them true, does constitute lying.