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Author | Topic: Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You answered your own question. You Americans are schizophrenic about illegal immigration. You get your knickers in a twist about "illegality" but you know you depend on the illegals. Running in all directions at once is inevitable. ... even if illegal uncontrolled immigration has some positive effects why support such a chaotic nonsystem when sensible nations have always had immigration standards?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If somebody says, "My door is always open," that doesn't mean you can go in and steal his stapler. It still implies a certain standard of courtesy is expected. Open Borders is having no standards.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
After the first dozen or so, their enthusiasm will probably start to wane. How about if a hundred people want to camp in your living room? Do you really think people would try to jam themseves in where there's no room? Populations tend to be self-regulating. That's what causes migration in the first place.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It does, but I bet I could get in. I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding... leftists/communists....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
A lot of Muslims are Asian. Asians in general come from cultures that value work and personal social responsibility, in other words good candidates for citizenship.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Socialism is the natural state of social species. We don't need more socialists. In humans there is a conflict between individual interests (greed) and collective interests. Doesn't, "Go ye into all the world," suggest that the gospel has a collective component?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Jubillee. If you want to prove socialism from the Bible you should start with the theocracy of Israel. I don't see socialism there, do you?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Mercy for debts. Redistribution of wealth. A check on rampant greed. Jubilee is a law of mercy, has nothing to do with socialism.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course there is. Don't be silly. The whole point was to prevent people from being financially ruined forever. The money they would have paid was kept for their own (more productive) use.
There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all... Faith writes:
You're making a strawman of socialism. ...no coercion as in socialistic systems that control everybody....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Socialism done in a non-socialistic way? Or maybe you just have the wrong idea of what socialism is. Yes a check on rampant greed, a NONSOCIALISTIC check on rampant greed. Edited by ringo, : spellingeAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
There was labour, which is the same as money for most purposes. When their debts were forgiven, they were free to use their labour for their own (more productive) purposes, instead of making some fat cat even fatter.
There wouldn't have been any money to be "kept" because they would have paid the debt if they'd had it. Faith writes:
You should make up your mind whether you're ranting against socialism "in general" or against just the totalitarian kind of socialism. When you said, "We don't need more socialists," which kind did you mean?
There are hybrid forms of socialism that are less totalitarian but the tendency of socialism is always toward totalitarian oppression in the hands of government. Faith writes:
On the contrary, it seems to be the lefty-types who are pushing for more freedom for blacks, women, homosexuals, etc.
It's the complete opposite of the concepts of personal freedom so hard-won over the centuries before the US Constitution aimed to establish such freedoms as a principle of governance. Faith writes:
They may have been right - but the kind of religion that you preach is thoroughly immoral.
But as John Adams and others of the Founders said in various ways, our system of government can only work well for a religious and moral people, "it is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other." Faith writes:
Y'see, you're the one who is saying we can't afford to "safely" grant freedoms any more. The real danger of totalitarian oppression is from your bunch. Well, we've been losing our character as a "religious and moral people" for quite some time now, well beyond the point where such freedoms can be safely granted and the corporate federation still hold together....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's better to be called a bigot than to be one. It's better to admit being a bigot than to deny it. Incorrectly used by the usual suspects here though, since not one word of that applies rightly to me.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
In Canada we think of it as a mosaic rather than a melting pot - i.e. the individual characteristics are preserved to a great extent. Much less "wrecking" involved. Multiculturalism is a Cultural Marxist wrecking ball, it is a sad parody of the idea of the "melting pot" which has entirely opposite consequences.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
We think of it as more of a salad than a stew. Healthier. And we're willing to learn as well as teach.
The melting pot means learning and living by the great truths of western civilization.... Faith writes:
Your viewpoint is understood all to well. That's why we want to improve on it. How sad that this is no longer understood, how very very sad.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What kind of "regulation" do you want to preserve your privileges? Just keep everybody out who is willing and able to do your job better for less? I have no problem with multiculturalism nor immigration provided it is regulated to some extent in order to preserve our middle class rather than force a bunch of old people to compete with a much younger world.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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