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Author | Topic: Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I've been talking about continuing those hard-won principles and improving on them.
So much for centuries of hard-won principles of civilization and government."Give me your tired, your poor, You're the one who is trying to slam the golden door.Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It was open borders and multiculturalism that brought my grandparents here a century ago. It was people like you who tried to keep them out because they didn't speak English.
Ooen Borders and Multiculturalism cannot do that. Faith writes:
I don't know or care whether my grandparents entered the country legally. They contributed their share while they were here. That's all that matters.
And I want LEGAL immigration... Faith writes:
You want to keep out the multiple cultures. That certainly is slamming doors. CONTROLLED immigration, which is NOT slamming any doors.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's the benefit of multiculturalism, not a "problem". Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. It's funny how even the most foaming-at-the-mouth xenophobes understand that inbreeding in animals is a bad thing but they don't understand that an inbred culture has the same kind of weakness. The problem with Multiculturalism is that assimilation is not emphasized and we get these groups of people that don't become part of the main culture, don't learn or accept its principles. The principles are not perfect and carved in stone for all time. They have to be improved as new circumstances arise. The influx of different cultures is an excellent way to test the strength of our principles. Unfortunately, people like you fail to understand the very principles that they so viciously pretend to uphold.
Faith writes:
As I said, people like you did try to keep my grandparents out, so clearly they did think controls were necessary. I'm sure this doesn't describe your grandparents, who apparently immigrated to Canada before there was any real need for immigration controls anyway.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Seniority is fine. It should count for something, even if only as a sign of loyalty, experience, stabilty, etc. But it shouldn't be seen as an entitlement. If your loyalty, experience, stability, etc. make you competitive overall, then it's an asset to your employer. If not, it's only of value to you. Being a union man, I respect the idea of seniority.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're looking at it backwards. The immigrants aren't subtracting from the overall situation; they're adding to it. Strengthening your economy through immigration will only be good for the domestic population. This is my prerequisite for immigration---that the domestic aging population is taken care of first.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Which is the definition of taxation. No, socialism redistributes wealth, taking from some to give to others.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Public works is a socialistic program. Note the word "public". The RIGHT use of taxation is for supporting government itself and public works, not socialistic programs. Socialism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". If you need a road to get to work, you don't have to build your own. The cursed government does it for you.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Faith's theme song. I haven't worked it out yetAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taq writes:
My father was in favour of interning the Japanese during WWII. Ironically, his father was born in Germany. I am all for pointing out the hypocrisy of immigrants who are against immigration.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Socialism is a function of every responsible government. Arguably, all functions of a responsible government are socialism. Public wqrks is a function of every responsible government, it is not socialism.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Atheists and socialists and Jesus. ... atheists and socialists who think the poor should be helped by robbing the rich.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's just a stupid inflammatory word that Faith used. Jesus did advocate paying your taxes and that's how the money is transferred from rich to poor.
If I recall, Jesus never advocated robbing anyone. Phat writes:
Are you being forced to pay your taxes? Did Jesus tell you to pay your taxes? I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced. Jesus did tell the rich man to sell what he had and give to the poor.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Nobody advocates robbing the rich. Jesus' advocates generous cheerful giving, hands-on help for those who need it, He certainly doesn't advocate robbing the rich (or really, the middle class) to take care of the poor.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Taxation is not a euphemism for robbery. they use socialistic euphemisms to cover the fact that they simply DO rob the rich....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's bizarre. If it's collected as taxes, as Jesus advocated, and used to help the poor, as Jesus advocated, it's robbery? Not if it's for legitimate governmental uses such as public works, but in the hands of a socialist government robbery is exactly what it is.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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