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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
No, not without another referendum.
There's still a hope that when we eventually get to the end of all this, the public will have realised what a fucking stupid thing we've done and another vote will be held. This time the students might get out of bed and vote. Long shot tho'.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
It's going to get messier yet. There's a real chance of a 2nd referendum.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes writes: IMO, that snap election called by Theresa May really undermined things. It necessitated having to create a coalition with that fringe party in Northern Ireland and also diminished her government's position in the eyes of the EU. Her own party is split too into hard and soft Brexit with 'soft' meaning they're mostly remainers. The snap election made sense at the time, she should have won with a landslide, no-one predicted the result before it happened. It's a clusterfuck.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes writes: What is the legality of calling a second referendum? I am assuming that would be something parliament would have to propose? Or can the Prime Minister simply call for another one on her own? It's murky and grey. It's not really about the law, referenda are purely advisory, but politically they can't be ignored. One view is that the decision to sign the final deal should be put before parliament and if parliament votes against, it would go to another referendum. Others say that the final deal should be put to a referendum anyway as no one knew what they were voting for in the first referendum. The government wants to do what it sees fit. It's all about how many votes the government thinks it can get.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie writes: Is that a realistic position remembering The Troubles and what would the legality be of such a situation? It's a political impossibility. We went to war with Argentina because an island everone here thought was off Scotland with a couple of hundred Brits on it was invaded and they wanted to reamian British. It would only be possible if the majority in NI voted for it. Even then it would be bloody.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Yeh, Ireland has been a tad troublesome. Unfinished business.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
People always underestimate May; but she's stubborn and persistent.
The EU needs to be careful; one way of ensuring that the UK won't vote to remain (if they get the second chance) is to be the arrogant bullies that most here think they are. We'd rather stick two fingers at them and declare splendid isolation again. Create an offshore finacial state with low taxation and suck cash out of Europe.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
We'll be in chaos for a generation no matter which way this finally goes. David Cameron need to go into witness protection.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Woops, Brexit Secretary has resigned. Now it'll get sticky.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Diomedes writes: What's the British term for clusterf*%k? Buggers muddle, or more recently, omnishambles.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Probably 20% are lying.
What a ball-breaking, insane clusterfuck.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The view is that a no-deal Brexit would not pass parliament but the current deal probably won't either so there's an increasing possibility of a slightly tweaked current deal being put to the people for us to decide for them.
Whether that referendum also offers no-Brexit choice and how it's worded will be another massive battle. But maybe that's just wishful thinking, no-one actually knows.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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The only good thing about this entire mess is that we're not going to war over it. It's the democratic process doing its best.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The fun bit is that there is no majority in Parliament for any of the options - including no deal - but there's a sufficient minority to veto any and all of the deals.
It's a Mexican stand off which I'm hoping will result in a referendum simply because they can't decide. Preferably with an option of 'ah, stuff it, might as well carry on with what we've got'. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9513 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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I've decided that we'll have another referendum because that's what I want. I'm putting my fingers in my ears when anybody says anything else. It's a trick I've learned from Faith.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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