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Faith writes:
There were no campaign financing laws violated no matter what Cohen said.
Sorry, but we are going to need more than your say-so.
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Faith writes:
Trump didn't say Mexico would pay for it up front but will pay for it in the end. Of course he has to get the money from Congress first.
Trump made no such qualifications. If Mexico is going to pay for it in the end, then lets wait for Mexico to come up with the money. That's what Trump promised.
One of the million differences between Clinton or the Clintons and Trump is that he didn't commit his "affairs" in the Oval Office, or even at any point when he was campaigning for the Presidency, and what he did before has nothing to do with any of that, hard as the Left is trying to make it seem it does.
As if that matters. All they had on Clinton was him lying about one affair. That's it. The Republicans thought that was enough to go against the votes of the entire country and impeach Clinton. If you can't see how this negates your entire argument, then you are truly blind.
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Faith writes:
Oh I don't claim any knowledge, I'm just trying to get across something of the Right point of view as I've been getting it, but there are plenty who do know all this and I really hope their views are going to have an impact in the end.
Then why in the world would Cohen plead guilty to something that isn't a crime, and why would he be facing jail time for something that wasn't a crime? You seem to be assuming that everything the Right-wing media is telling you is true. Perhaps you should stop and think about that for a moment.
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Faith writes: No. poll 85 Percent for Trump's wall. Just more evidence of you not knowing what the truth or facts are.
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JohF writes:
Trump did allegedly break campaign finance laws while he was a candidate and afterwards. That's what Cohen accused him of.ABE Not only Cohen but the publishers of the National Enquirer admitted, in their plea deal: I tend to agree with Comey on all of this. Let Mueller finish his work and hand in his report. Then, in 2020, let the people decide if Trump should be in office. He already lost the last election by 3 million popular votes, and I don't see how he will do any better in 2020. Of course, the Dems are really good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but hopefully they get their senses together and nominate a half-way decent candidate. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 writes: Oh, hey, got anybody in mind? On the positive side? With an actual chance to win? Who wouldn't deliberately insult and disgust everyone on the planet except Putin? Elizabeth Warren? No, Not Bernie again. Sherrod Brown comes to mind. I suspect that there are Dem governors that could fit the bill, and they won't have the stink of Congress on them. There are plenty of safe bets, and a superstar might emerge at some point. I don't think it is Beto's time just yet, but it might be in the future.
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AZPaul3 writes: We need lots more evidence of more damaging willful violations of law. Keep in mind that in this case the goal should be not impeachment but conviction in the Senate. We need to throw his ass out. So we need enough such evidence of strong enough character as to be acceptable to this upcoming Senate. That’s a tall order. It doesn't make sense for the Dems to impeach Trump, at least from a political standpoint. Running against Trump in 2020 is a gift with a giant bow on top.
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Faith writes: No he did not and nobody in their right mind thought that's what he meant when he said it. We knew he meant that in the end it would be economically disadvantageous to Mexico in various ways and that's how they would pay for it. I could care less how Trump gets the money from Mexico. What he needs to do is get the actual money from Mexico, and then we can talk about building his wall. What the American public doesn't want is to waste our own money on Trump's Folley.
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Faith writes: Then they trumped up the "dossier," a fake document paid for by Hillary Clinton alleging some pretty salacious disgusting things that simply were not true (but somehow she got a pass on all that and more?), No one has shown the dossier to be fake. In fact, some of what it details was later found to be true. Just because Hillary paid for it does not make it fake. Hillary paid for REAL information, not fake information. If Hillary wanted fake information they could have sat around a table for a few hours and made it all up which would have saved millions of dollars. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: Nothing could show the political and philosophical chasm between Left and Right more tellingly than this statement. The Right feels exactly the opposite, that the damage to the nation and to the world has been underway from the Left for decades and reached a destructive peak under Obama, which would have been set in concrete for ages to come if Hillary had won, What damage are you talking about?
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Faith writes: Somebody admitted it is fake, somebody who should know. Who?
I'm sorry I'm not good at following politics but I've heard this many times from my favorite talk show people, and I don't even know who at the moment, maybe all of them. All anybody here knows is what the Left feeds you, with their spin at full throttle. I hear all that too, how could I miss it, but I also hear from the opposition. You might try it some time. You are good at swallowing Right wing propaganda whole. That's about it. Christopher Steele still stands by the dossier, as does Fusion GPS which is the firm the Clinton campaign hired to do the investigation. This is no different than hiring a private investigator. Your Right wing talk radio nutjobs are simply making that argument that since Hillary paid for it that must mean it is fake. That is all they are going on. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: The destruction and perversion of the meaning of our Constitution for starters, the denigration of our heritage by Obama and the Left, in fact the hatred of America by the Left that undermines us in the context of world politics, the destruction of our Christian culture. Just a few off the top of my head. Any examples? These are just vague allegations with no specifics.
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Faith writes: Dossier is officially "unverified" and always has been and that very fact should have prevented it from ever seeing the light of day. No, it's fake, totally trumped up. You haven't offered a shred of evidence that it is a fake. This is just more Right Wing propaganda and lies.
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Faith writes: What is the big deal about a government shutdown? Having worked in a government job, I can tell you how the shutdown affected my area of work. The research group I was a part of had submitted a rather large grant which had actually been approved for funding, and then the shutdown hit. This threw all funding up in the air, and the grant had to be resubmitted. It wasn't funded until nearly 2 years later, and people almost lost their jobs in the meantime, including me. I also saw job positions that used to take 2 months to be filled take 18 months to get filled because funding in different government offices was all haywire because of the shutdown and because of the sequester that followed. The government is a massive behemoth of a system, and any little funding hiccup can have serious ramifications. It isn't as simple as everyone taking a few days off. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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caffeine writes: I don't know the details of American law well enough to comment on whether or not it's legally an impeachable offense. I just think that 'lying to the American people' is de rigeur practice for a politician running for election; and am not seeing the earth-shattering importance that you're attributing to it. It looks more like seeking hard to find technical violations of the law in reaction to the fact that there's a worthless scumbag in the White House. Corrupt use of campaign finances is a pretty big deal in the US. Trump is not be singled out, not by a long shot. There is a congressman that is currently under indictment on campaign finance violations: Duncan Hunter and his wife indicted for using campaign funds for personal expenses | CNN Politics In past presidential elections there have been similar indictments, such as John Edwards being indicted for possible violations when some friends paid to hide his extra-marital affair during his campaign. Also, Trump isn't in potential trouble because he lied to the American people when asked questions by the press. Trump is in potential trouble for violating the laws which require reporting of campaign contributions, and corrupt intent plays a large role in how those violations are penalized.
This is all speculation of course, but I think it would have made the square root of fuck all difference. It has never been a secret that Trump is a philanderer. Those who voted for him either don't consider this important; believe that the importance of the positions they share outweigh any personal failings; or opt for denial and willful blindness to avoid any cognitive dissonance. The accusations of Trump's affair with Stormy Daniels stem from 2011; and resurfaced and were discussed at length in 2016 during the election. What difference did they make? The point of having laws for clean and transparent elections is that we shouldn't have to speculate. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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