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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
Is your God? The only "information" you have about your God is:
Is a leprechaun all knowing, all powerful and existing outside of time and space?1. in the Bible, which is inconsistent and unverifiable. 2. made up by theologians and apologists to try to fix the inconsistencies in the Bible 3. made up by you Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Treasure Island claims to have been written by Jim Hawkins (with a chapter added by Dr. Livesey for clarity). It's an old literary trick. You can't use the book as evidence for the book. jar writes:
Not according to the Bible itself, as held by traditionalists. First, man not God, wrote the Bible.Izquierdo.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I just showed that the claims made for the biblical God and a leprechaun are nothing alike. Now it seems you are saying the claims for the FSM are exactly those made for God. Is that correct.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And once again you simply support the position that you are totally disconnected from reality and willfully ignorant. You support the position of your cult over the reality.
The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books. That is simply fact Faith. No one questions the Fact that your "Traditionalists" willfully deny reality.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I support what the bible clearly says. Make your case if you have anything else other than insults.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
No you didn't. You made an empty claim. I just showed that the claims made for the biblical God and a leprechaun are nothing alike.Izquierdo.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
So leprechauns are eternal and all powerful and exist outside of space and time?
Who says that besides you?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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the book of leprechauns
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
foreveryoung writes: I support what the bible clearly says. Yet the facts remain: The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books. Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space. Does the Bible say that God wrestled with Jacob all night without defeating him? If so, then the Bible says God is not all powerful. Does the Bible say that God came down to Earth and went WalkAbout to find out if the stories He had heard about Sodom and Gomorrah were true? If so the God is not all knowing.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
There is no such book.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
The question is, why should we think your claims about your God are any different? This "eternal" and "all-powerful" and "outside of space and time" business is all made up. There is no factual basis for it. Even the Bible doesn't really support it. So why can't we make up the same nonsense about leprechauns? So leprechauns are eternal and all powerful and exist outside of space and time?Who says that besides you? Izquierdo.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Jar says:
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space. He can act within space and time as he did with adam and eve. But, at the same time he was "walking" with the first couple, he was also speaking to joan of arc in 1428 in dom'remy France through his Angel's. Acting in one particular space and time does not rule out his existence outside of space and time. If he was confined to space and time, he would still be walking around on the planet. It's pretty hard to miss a supreme being in his essence.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
There are not 66 books that refer to leprechauns spread out over thousands of years. They are mentioned in fairytales that make no pretense of speaking of reality. These 66 books refer to actual places and people and events. All of them reference the God of abraham. Your claim is that all these authors made it up out of thin air. Can you provide a case that it's so based on actual evidence?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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There is no such book. you only say that because you don't believe in leprechauns. IF you truly believed the truth would present itself to you.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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foreveryoung writes:
Sure there are, even if they haven't all been bound together in one volume. And the only reason the Bible books were ever gathered together was because somebody believed something. Belief in something is not evidence that that something is real.
There are not 66 books that refer to leprechauns spread out over thousands of years. foreveryoung writes:
"Pretense" is not exactly a good defense for your claim. A lot of books pretend to speak of reality but don't - e.g. Treasure Island. And of course there are things in the Bible that don't pretend to correspond to reality - e.g. the talking snake.
They are mentioned in fairytales that make no pretense of speaking of reality. foreveryoung writes:
Treasure Island refers to Bristol, a real place. It also mentions Captain Kidd and Blackbeard, real pirates, as well as real 18th-century historical events.
These 66 books refer to actual places and people and events. foreveryoung writes:
You have it backwards. We don't assume that an entire book is true just because it mentions some real people, places or events. Everything must pass its own individual truth test. And of course your God can't. Your claim is that all these authors made it up out of thin air. Can you provide a case that it's so based on actual evidence?Izquierdo.
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