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Joe Meert
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Message 1 of 7 (83093)
02-04-2004 5:15 PM


Tas Walker has critiqued my discussion on paleosols
http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/paleosol.htm

at answersingenesis and also in the Technical Journal
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v17n3_paleosols.asp

I've also posted my rebuttal to what I view as a really silly article by Walker

http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/walker.htm

Cheers

Joe Meert


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Message 2 of 7 (83107)
02-04-2004 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Joe Meert
02-04-2004 5:15 PM


Joe, could you dig out the debate thread and perhaps add you comments?

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=11&t=98&m=36#36 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=11&t=98&m=36#36">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=11&t=98&m=36#36


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Bill Birkeland
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Message 3 of 7 (83171)
02-04-2004 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Joe Meert
02-04-2004 5:15 PM


Joe wrote:

"Tas Walker has critiqued my discussion on paleosols"

Sound like you hit a very tender nerve. :-)

Maybe someone should prepare a web page on
some famous locations, at which the existence
of numerous paleosols have been exteremely
documented. A couple of examples:

1. Badlands National Park

Retallack, G.J., 1983, Late Eocene and Oligocene
paleosols from Badlands National Park, South Dakota.
Geological Society of America Special Paper no. 193,
82 pp.

Retallack, G. J., 1983, A paleopedological approach
to the interpretation sedimentary rocks: the
mid-Tertiary fossil soils of Badlands National
park, South Dakota. Geological Society of America
Bulletin. vol. 94, pp. 824-840

2. John Day Fossil Beds

Bestland, E. A., Retallack, G. J., Rice, A., and
Mindszenty, A., 1996, Late Eocene detrital laterites
in central Oregon: mass balance geochemistry,
depositional setting and landscape evolution.
Geological Society of America Bulletin, vol 108,
pp. 285-302.

Bestland, E. A., Retallack, G. J., Swisher, C. C.III,
1997, Stepwise climate change recorded in Eocene-
Oligocene paleosol sequences from central Oregon.
The Journal of Geology, vol. 105, pp. 153-178.

Bestland, E.A., 1997, Alluvial terraces and
paleosols as indicators of early Oligocene climatic
change (John Day Formation, central Oregon).
Journal Sedimentary Research, v. 67, p. 840-855.

Bestland, E. A., Hammond, P. E., Blackwell, D. L. S.,
Kays, M. A., Retallack, G. J., Stimac, J., 1999,
Geologic framework of the Clarno Unit, John Day
Fossil Beds National Monument, central Oregon.
Oregon Geology, v. 61, p.3-19.

Retallack, G.J., Bestland, E.A., Fremd, T., 2000,
Eocene and Oligocene paleosols of central Oregon.
Geological Society of America Special Paper 344. 191p.

A Paleosol Bibliography
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/pweathering.htm

Just some thoughts.

Bill Birkeland


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Joe Meert
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Message 4 of 7 (83234)
02-05-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Bill Birkeland
02-04-2004 8:45 PM


Bill,

Thanks for this reference list, I've now included it in my reply and I will also include it in the paleosol page. The other sounds like a good idea as well (if I can find the time).

Cheers

Joe Meert


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Message 5 of 7 (84310)
02-07-2004 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 12:54 AM


Don't know if you're snooping TWeb, but there's some interesting stuff at Re: AIG's Tas Walker criticizes former TWebb'er and the following.
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Bill Birkeland
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Message 6 of 7 (88221)
02-23-2004 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Joe Meert
02-05-2004 12:54 AM


Dear Joe,

Links to your paleosol page and response to Tas (manian devil) Walker's comments on your paleosol page have been included as part of a beginning geology course, Sedimantology and Stratigraphy (Geology 260), at:

http://www.wooster.edu/geology/geo260/geo260.html

About you and Tas Walker, this web page stated:

"Here's a funny-if-it-wasn't-so-sad example of creationist "geology". Tas Walker, an engineer with a bachelor's degree in geology, takes on the issue of paleosols as a challenge to flood geology. He is responding to a paleosol webpage by Dr. Joe Meert at the University of Florida. The hilarious errors of Walker are demonstrated in Dr. Meert's response webpage. This reminds me of a similar exchange Walker and I had about the origin of carbonate hardgrounds. Here is my letter to him with his comments, and here is my response, which he has not answered. This is what happens when a scientist loses his objectivity."

Yours,

Bill Birkeland


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Joe Meert
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Message 7 of 7 (88525)
02-25-2004 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Bill Birkeland
02-23-2004 7:41 PM


Thanks Bill. I contacted the guy about this. By the way, I found a picture of the paleosol horizon taken on the other side of the highway in a field guide. It should suffice until I can get back to the outcrop.

Cheers

Joe Meert


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