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Author | Topic: Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
The evidence is clear that you are full of bad assumptions and ignorant of facts.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
So you think every prediction is equally useful by some undiscovered law of Taq, such that questioning the usefulness of one automatically means the rejection of all others?
How does your brain work, seriously? Go talk to others that are more on your level.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: I look at the whole "tree" of life. Not just one property of nesting, that you seem to be stuck on forever. I have offered more evidence in another thread on multiple occasions. Here it is again: https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20367 The basic observation of the nested hierarchy is just the tip of the iceberg, but you can't seem to get past even the tip of the iceberg.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: The evidence is clear that you are full of bad assumptions and ignorant of facts. What assumptions are bad and why? What facts am I ignorant of?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: So you think every prediction is equally useful by some undiscovered law of Taq, such that questioning the usefulness of one automatically means the rejection of all others?​ You will only look at one prediction. There are many, many, many more. Here it another one, for the like the 10th time:https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20367 How does your brain work, seriously? Much better than yours, apparently.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
sensei writes: So you decided to miss the point and hide behind labels. Got it!
Nope, I directly refuted statements YOU made that are FALSE. And asked why you don't know these basic facts of biology.
Tanypteryx writes: sensei writes: Evolution could have produced spiders with more legs. Yep, and it did, they are called scorpions, centipedes and millipedes, to name three.
sensei writes: Many insects have a lot more legs. Why not spiders?​ Insects have 6 legs and 0, 2, or 4 wings. Any Arthropod with more than 6 legs IS NOT AN INSECT Here you are imagining scenarios of evolution doing something that you seem to think is impossible, but you don't seem to know anything about biology, or paleontology, or genetics, or how the scientific method and supporting evidence works.
Why don't you know these most basic facts about biology; we call all arthropods with 8 legs and 2 main body sections Spiders, Insects have 6 legs and many adults also have wings, there are arthropods with many more legs than insects or spiders, but we don't call them insects or spiders because we can recognize that they also form their own clades, like insects and spiders do. Didn't you go to high school, why don't you know these basic facts about biology, especially if you are going to come here and argue about evolution (biology)? Just which point did I miss, other than you demonstrating that you don't know shit about what you are talking about?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
So when your side asks why bats were not designed with
having bird feathers, that is a valid question? But when I ask why evolution has not produced spiders with 12 legs, that is invalid and I don't know what I'm talking about? Great, another evolutionist fool who thinks he's smart, but really is not!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Then they wouldn't be spiders, would they?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: So when your side asks why bats were not designed withhaving bird feathers, that is a valid question? We are asking why design would necessarily produce a nested hierarchy. You have yet to come up with a reason. A bat with feathers is an example of the type of species that would violate a nested hierarchy to give you an idea of what we are talking about. We are trying to stress to you that we aren't citing just similarities as evidence for common ancestry. We are citing a nested hierarchy which is a pattern of similarities. It is this pattern that the theory of evolution predicts, and I have yet to see anyone show why this pattern is a prediction of design. The gross pattern of a nested hierarchy is just the beginning of the evidence. There is a lot more. What I am showing you is that design fails right out of the gate. It can't explain the pattern of similarities we are seeing, even from a birds eye view. It gets even worse when we focus on the details.
But when I ask why evolution has not produced spiders with 12 legs, that is invalid and I don't know what I'm talking about? It is irrelevant to the question at hand. How would the existence of a 12 legged spider solve the question at hand? Let's say that a lineage of spiders did evolve 4 more legs. What impact would that have on the discussion at hand? A bat with feathers WOULD impact the discussion because that would be a violation of a nested hierarchy. That's the difference.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
And bats with bird feathers would not be bats. How is it that you can see a bird feathered bat to be more a bat than a twelve legged spider being less of a spider?
And you are the one that is suppose to know biology better than me? You evolutionists are a bunch. Keep coming with more bad arguments, even worse than the previous ones.
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Who says anything is necessary with design? Keep up with the arbitrary claims out of nowhere. Keep up piling up more and more stupidity. How are you not full of shame yet?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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sensei writes: And bats with bird feathers would not be bats. Call them whatever you want. A species with a combination of derived features from bats and birds would be a violation of a nested hierarchy.
How is it that you can see a bird feathered bat to be more a bat than a twelve legged spider being less of a spider? How would the evolution of 4 extra legs in a lineage of spiders impact the question of the nested hierarchy? It doesn't matter what name we give them. What matters is the physical characteristics they have.
And you are the one that is suppose to know biology better than me? Given our interactions here, I guarantee that I do. Do you even know why Linnaean taxonomy was replaced by cladistics? Do you even know what cladistics is? Do you know why taxonomic orders don't even exist in nature? Do you know the difference between a transition and transversion mutation? Do you know the difference between an exon and an intron, and why their attributes can be used to test the theory of evolution?
Keep coming with more bad arguments, even worse than the previous ones. Then please tell us why evolution would not produce a nested hierarchy. If the argument is so bad, this should be easy.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
sensei writes: Who says anything is necessary with design? I'm certainly not. I am saying that a nested hierarchy is not a necessary outcome of design.
Keep up with the arbitrary claims out of nowhere. Keep up piling up more and more stupidity. How are you not full of shame yet? It seems you attack the person when you can't address the evidence.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
So when your side asks why bats were not designed with having bird feathers, that is a valid question? We're not asking that. We are saying that there is a reason bats do not have feathers, and that reason is because feathers did not evolve in the avian dinosaurs (birds) until after their split from a common vertebrate ancestor with Synapsida reptiles (mammal ancestors).
sensei writes: But when I ask why evolution has not produced spiders with 12 legs, that is invalid and I don't know what I'm talking about? Good Grief! Arthropods with 8 legs are called spiders or scorpions and arthropods with 12 legs are called centipedes. Now, does your question demonstrate that you know what you are talking about?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
If you keep repeating the same logical flaws, you expect to receive a medal of praise for that?
Only if nested hierarchy is impossible by design then you have evidence against design in nested hierarchy. So prove to me that nested hierarchy is impossible with design. I wait.
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