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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Kleinman writes: When he realized what the structure of DNA is, there is no rational way to explain the evolution of such a molecule. So says the person who accepts the irrational belief that DNA was magically poofed into being.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Kleinman writes: Are you going to explain to us why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments? I already did multiple times, and here we are again. You fucking moron.
You are the one claiming that biologists have explained the evolution of drug resistance. And they have, you fucking moron.
Sure I would Taq, it is right here in this paper: None of which actually matches reality. For example, the rate of appearance for antibiotic resistance in the Lenski paper differs based on the genetic background of the bacteria. Where is that in your math? Genomic evolution of antibiotic resistance is contingent on genetic background following a long-term experiment with Escherichia coli - PubMed Not only that, but the appearance of antibiotic resistance can differ by 1,000 fold depending on the antibiotic. Where is that in your math? REPLICA PLATING AND INDIRECT SELECTION OF BACTERIAL MUTANTS - PMC On top of everything else, your math is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of adaptation in biology.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taqo writes:
Not a scientific term.
You fucking moron
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: Not a scientific term. Accurate observations are extremely scientific.In fact they're the base bedrock of all science. There's ample evidence on this website that Kleinman is moronic. But I doubt very much that he's fucking anyone. Except himself of course.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Do you and other biologists claim a tire is an entire vehicle? And too bad biologists can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. That's your cue to claim there are millions of papers out there but you can't explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. Kleinman:Are you now claiming that people with HIV can't get herpes simplex, herpes zoster, or cytomegalovirus,...? Kleinman:Now you are claiming that LTRs don't get mutations. Explain that for us. Kleinman:You said that 90% of ERVs consist only of LTRs. No protein coding sequences at all and the rest have some protein-coding fragments. How do LTRs remain intact without mutations when the rest of the genetic sequence has disappeared or been altered? Kleinman:If the genetic sequence of what you call an LTR is altered, how do you know that it is still part of a retrovirus? The protein-coding sequence is gone. Kleinman:How do you identify homologous sequences when the protein-coding sequences are gone? Kleinman quoting Wikipedia:I guess they ask a virologist that doesn't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Kleinman:Doesn't that question fit your belief system? How many different DNA repeats are in vertebrate genomes and what are their sequences?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:We are still waiting for you to give a mathematical explanation for the evolution of drug resistance. Why does it take a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony drug resistance evolution experiment?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You are being silly again, you haven't explained why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolution experiments. You are like the layman ringo. You post a link and then don't give a message number or a quote. But here's the mathematical explanation for descent with modification and adaptation for those biological evolutionary experiments. The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection You need to do a little more math for the Lenski experiment, that can be found here: Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment I'll post quotes from those papers if you like. Kleinman:Which paper explains why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation? You confuse muddling with understanding. Kleinman:You are confused Taq, that's why you don't post a quote from any of your papers that explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolution experiments. It is simply a consequence of the probability of at least one adaptive mutation occurring in a population and the joint probability of a second mutation occurring on a member with the previous adaptive mutation. That math isn't difficult at all, a high school student can learn it. It's the multiplication rule, put your mind to it, even a biologist can learn how to do this math.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Taq:Give him some slack, he can't argue the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. He didn't learn how to do the physics and mathematics in his survey of physics and survey of mathematics courses.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:Maybe Tangle wants to explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. Taq, with all his biological training, can't do it. Let's see if you can do it.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taqo writes:
It's not an irrational belief. Such a belief lies outside the realm of methodological naturalism, but that doesn't mean it's irrational. So says the person who accepts the irrational belief that DNA was magically poofed into being. However, I can understand how, in the small and shallow mind of an atheist, such a belief would seem irrational. It's a bit like a small child not understanding how something invisible like radioactivity can have powerful effects.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangled writes:
... just like we'll never know what caused the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record. Although that doesn't stop delusional bs-artists and con-men (mostly atheists) claiming to know otherwise.
We'll never get evidence for panspermia, whatever happened to form life on Earth happened billions of years ago and all evidence has long since gone.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
It's nothing new ... Darwinoids do a similar thing when it comes to the fossil record. Any inconvenient gaps are filled with imaginary, hoped-for fossils that don't exist.
Tangle evidence is that he hopes that the evidence once existed.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Thank you for your advice re "Preview" button.
As for "favorite text editor", I'm not sure if my phone employs such a person ...
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
unwise1 writes:
One little error and I had my "edit" amputated. Justice?
As I recall, Dredge kept abusing his edit privileges so they were suspended. That is why his Edit button does not work.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
"Everyone in biology" claims that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via a process described by neo-Darwinism. F..king morons.
Everyone in biology claims that, you fucking moron.
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