Suggestion for evolutionists

If you haven't noticed, the rate of increase of the number of posts by me have been down for a while. One of the reasons for that is that I began to notice that creationists seem to be experts at dodging technical questions or questions to which the answers contradict their beliefs. Unfortunately, most of the time the dodgings go unnoticed and are forgotten only after a day or so.Why? How? Because every time a creo make a comment like "the sky is green," he gets about 7 different responses from 7 different people telling him every technical thing from personal observation (that the sky is blue) to the scattering of the blue light rays when they hit the atmosphere. Then, there are about 14 different questions (very very technical ones) that includes everything from the possibility of one's delusional state of mind when one observed the green sky to the physics of yellow light mixing in with blue lights to cause the green effect.What am I trying to get at? Creos are people, too. If you flood them with whole essays, in a way you are saying, "it's ok for you guys to dodge some questions that may disprove your point completely."What I suggest is you guys refrain from replying to every comment the creos make, no matter how rediculous it may seem. I suggest the first-come-first-serve policy, in which individuals voluntarily refrain from replying after about 2 or 3 people have replied to the same freaking statement.Read this thread in the announcement forum to get a sense of what I mean. Notice that this is the first and only non-Admin topic in the announcements forum. However, if you guys decide to not refrain from replying to every comment made by creos, then continue to expect them to dodge technical issues. If less people reply, I believe we can be a more effective force in making them answer every single question regarding issues that conflict with their beliefs. The choice is yours.

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The sky is not green? The sky is not blue... color does not exist it is merely agreed upon terms of perspective. Ok Ok must show restraint.

You have a good point Lam. I will try hard

Somehow, I knew this was coming.By the way, post your picture so we can see if your face is as beautiful as the golden ratio.

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Well, we try not to dogpile.But we all have different areas of knowledge, and its rare for one post to be perfect - to address every major point with evidence, and to do so with the utmost clarity. Often one might think "hrm, Joe explained this well, but he completely forgot about that" or "Bill covered everything, but I think I might have a way to make it more clear."And shit, Lam, we like to post. Isn't that why we come here and post?I post a lot because I have nothing better to do at work. Hopefully my next job will be different. (I'm going back to college, too.) ut I try not to spam a bunch of different threads. It's fairly easy to find a lot of crashfrog-free topics. Hell, if AM wants me to post less he oughta make me an admin. That always seems to do the trick.

You don't need to make your point perfect. The most important for us evos/science supporters is to get through the creos' thick skulls. If you stick to one or 2 points, you will have a better chance at squeezing the proper answer(s) out of the creos.I am more interested in (as Ned puts it) defanging the creos. I care less for making a perfect point that covers all topics. Yes, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, it has become somewhat of a personal issue for me. Like I said, I am more interested in defanging the creos than making having our point be made perfect.Just think of it this way. Recently, some evos have complaint that some creos demand evos to read an entire book before debating. Creos have not responded, and I'm going to speak on their behalf (somehow this word sounds wrong to me. Can someone please tell me if "behalf" is the right word?). Evos often demand creos to read through 10 pages + of info that comprise of things from bio classes for bio majors, not to mention the liberal use of technical words (words that are familiar to us bio freaks, like gymnosperm and angiosperm, but are alien to the rest of the world) without explanations.I don't think it is a problem if you freely use technical terms here and there, but 10 pages of it will deter people from looking up 30+ terms just so they could respond to 10+ posts. That is enough reason, I think, why/how creos tend to dodge so many topics. It's not the spam that I am complaining about. It is the cramping of so many technical stuff into relatively small sections of the debate.Here is an example of what I mean.Let say that we are talking about fossil layerings and the flood. Instead of pointing out everything from dinosaurs to mammals to plants, why not just stick to gymnosperms and angiosperms and demand an answer from the creos? If they try to change the subject to dinosaurs and mammals, be persistent and continue to demand an answer on the bloody plants.I know that some of you may have itches when a creo says things like the t-rex took all the high places making their fossils appearing higher than other animal, say a cow. I know that at this point some of you may want to come out and write 10 paragraphs about how wrong this is. However, you could easily defang the creos by simply going back to the gymnosperm and angiosperm example.Remember, we are talking to people that doesn't have the science background like the rest of us.

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Evos often demand creos to read through 10 pages + of info that comprise of things from bio classes for bio majors, not to mention the liberal use of technical words (words that are familiar to us bio freaks, like gymnosperm and angiosperm, but are alien to the rest of the world) without explanations.

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Just for the record, angiosperm and gymnosperm are terms used in high school biology. I try to keep things simple, but some topics demand specific language, and hence the use of specific terms. Angio vs gymno is a hard one to get around. For angio's you could call them "flowering plants" and gymno's "spore bearing plants" but that misses the overall structure of the groups. No many people think of grass as having flowers, or pine trees and ferns both belonging to the gymnosperms. All in all, people have access to online dictionaries.But the larger problem is that creo's usually don't have enough background to even understand the evidence that supports evolution. They can say quite confidently that nothing supports evolution, since they actually know nothing about biology. You would think that when a person realizes they know very little about a subject that they would not claim ultimate knowledge of its truthfullness, but we are talking about a theory that seems to threaten their religion and faith. By using technical jargon where appropriate it may help them realize that should consider actaully learning something about the subject before claiming ultimate knowledge.

Heh heh... you said sperm... heh heh...

So should there be some tagging system where each new Creationist is assigned to a mentor for a period of thirty days. Should they be limited to one on one discussions with that mentor only during that period?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Just how much of high school biology do you think people like creos retain? Even if they look it up through google or whatever, it would still be hard for them to understand the connection between the different kinds of plants and fossil records. Based on my observation, the pattern that seems to emerge from the creos seems to be that they don't pay much attention to the specifics like we do. To them , angiosperm, gymnosperm, bryophytes, or whatever... are just plants, period. This is the the point exactly. They usually lack the background knowledge to even talk about something as simple as gymno and angiosperm. This is the main problem and the main cause for them to dodge specific technical questions.I have been debating in person with some of the worst uneducated creos for years. You all probably know of my past show of impatience to know-it-all creos that actually know nothing (*ahem* desdamona). I tend to lose myself because I know that chances are nothing I say will make them realize that they do not know what the heck they are talking about. We need a new strategy. This is why I recommended that we stop throwing technical terms, concepts, and questions at them and only focus on very narrow one or 2 points.By throwing everything you have at creos, you are actually discouraging them from sitting back and think before replying. Their pride is bigger than any one post or any group of posts can penetrate.I'm not interested in hurting the creos. I'm more interested in defanging them. It usually only takes 1 dentist and a helper to defang something. However, if you have 10 dentists all trying to defang one creature, you're going to end up making the creature go insane and try to bite back.

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I have not suggested any such thing. Notice that my emphasis is on the word "voluntary" for evos. Creos are already as paranoid as they are regarding to Admins' actions. I don't want to be labeled as the antichrist of .

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