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Faith
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Message 1 of 277 (836599)
07-19-2018 8:55 PM


I've been more or less avoiding anything to do with politics for some time because it's so volatile and emotionally exhausting. Can't avoid it completely unfortunately, it's in-your-face everywhere, at least the leftist version of it is, you have to make an effort to get the other side of it. Yahoo headlines are nonstop Trump bashing, so are all the major news networks.

It's amazing, it's unprecedented, and yet the left insists it's not so, that it's Trump causing all the problems, they are merely being rightly critical. Well THAT's not so but I gave up a long time ago saying anything about it here or to anyone except people who share my views. There are a lot of us but the other side drowns us out because they have the favor of the media.

But today Yahoo put up a link to a brouhaha on The View between Whoopi Goldberg and a guest I'm not familiar with, Jeanine Pirro, a judge who just wrote a book, Liars Leakers and Liberals: The Case Against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy.. I just read Chapter One at Amazon and think she did such a good job I had to post it. I'd copy out some of it but I'd have to type it myself. Maybe I can come back later and do that. Meanwhile I recommend reading that first chapter to anyone at all interested.

ABE: Well, I don't post on the Trump Bashing thread, by request from Admin, so to get the other point of view said does require another thread. I got the kindle version of the book and have been reading it on my PC. What a relief it is to read someone who actually likes Trump, can spell out his good qualities and his achievements, his generosity, his patriotism, his concern for forgotten classes of citizens, who sees that there really is an unprecedented conspiracy to bring him down by the Left, who hate my half of the country, and canspeak for those who voted for his truly America-loving policies.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 2 of 277 (836613)
07-20-2018 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
07-19-2018 8:55 PM


Faith writes:

Yahoo headlines are nonstop Trump bashing, so are all the major news networks.

The news media considers anything a president says or does newsworthy, so naturally Trump's ignorant, truthless, bullying and malevolent tweets, comments and press conferences receive a great deal of press criticism. If he were to maintain a traditional presidential profile and demeanor (which would require informing himself and listening to his advisors) then his press coverage would be much more positive.

It's amazing, it's unprecedented,...

The press responses to Trump's unprecedented behavior may indeed be equally unprecedented. The Republican party's acquiescence and knuckling under to the president's bullying behavior, their willingness to suffer any indignity or violation of congressional prerogatives, is also unprecedented.

...and yet the left insists it's not so,...

No, you're wrong here, the left pretty much agrees that press coverage of Trump is unprecedented, because his behavior is equally unprecedented.

...that it's Trump causing all the problems,...

Trump's not responsible for family separation? For cozying up to brutal dictators? For starting a tariff war that has already resulted in US layoffs? For cutting the taxes on the rich far more than for anyone else? For increasing the deficit? For being anti-free trade? For antagonizing and attacking our allies? For not holding Russia responsible for their misdeeds? For making no effort whatsoever to foster a positive relationship with the press, except for Fox News, Breitbart, etc?

...they are merely being rightly critical.

Name a president who hasn't received press criticism. Trump receives a torrent of criticism because he commits torrents of misdeeds and lies incessantly.

Well THAT's not so but I gave up a long time ago saying anything about it here or to anyone except people who share my views.

Of course you gave up - it's hopeless defending defenseless positions and actions.

There are a lot of us but the other side drowns us out because they have the favor of the media.

Yes, there are a lot of you. And it doesn't matter how royally and continually he screws up and acts counter to the best interests of the United States and its institutions, you support him anyway. Just gotta have those conservative judges and get rid of those odious immigrants, I guess, and nothing else matters.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 3 of 277 (836619)
07-20-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
07-20-2018 2:16 PM


It's so nice to have a book like this one by Jeanine Pirro that clearly says how wrong you and the leftists are about all that. There really is a conspiracy, it is NOT normal news at all and she knows it, just as I've known it all along. No, there is no point in arguing it on your thread, or even on this one I suppose because the conspiracy is at full throttle here and nobody on your side has any interest in fairness to the other side.
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Message 4 of 277 (836625)
07-20-2018 2:59 PM
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07-20-2018 2:42 PM


That's it? Just a bunch of baseless allegations? No attempt to defend Trump's lies and screwups and attacks on our democratic institutions? No attempt to explain your support for Trump the anti-Christ as based upon anything more than believing he'll help advance the evangelical political agenda?

--Percy


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Message 5 of 277 (836626)
07-20-2018 3:00 PM
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07-20-2018 2:42 PM


And so you show again that you are in love with lies and hate.
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Message 6 of 277 (836628)
07-20-2018 3:05 PM


It's amaing how these conspiracies are co-ordinated. The free press internationally regard him as a clown. A dangerous, narcissistic clown. Clever conspiracists.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Faith
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Message 7 of 277 (836630)
07-20-2018 3:12 PM
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07-20-2018 3:05 PM


The press is not free, not since Trump was elected. They are in thrall to an agenda. They have given up on any pretense at objectivity or fairness. Pirro is so right about everything that has happened. It's so extreme even you on the left should be able to see it, it's really amazing how you all accept and repeat the ridiculous rationalizations.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 8 of 277 (836632)
07-20-2018 3:25 PM
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07-20-2018 3:12 PM


When everybody is crazy but you, it' s probably you that's crazy.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 9 of 277 (836633)
07-20-2018 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
07-20-2018 3:12 PM


Faith writes:

The press is not free, not since Trump was elected.

Has the constitution changed?

And, in any case, the conspiracy is apparently international.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 10 of 277 (836634)
07-20-2018 3:42 PM
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07-20-2018 2:42 PM


The controversy within the media
You must mean this book.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 11 of 277 (836635)
07-20-2018 3:47 PM
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07-20-2018 3:41 PM


Of course the conspiracy is international! The globalists and Illuminati are sponsoring it! Thank Allah for brave Ms Pirro for exposing them!!
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Message 12 of 277 (836637)
07-20-2018 4:04 PM
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Two TV comedians talking about another TV comedian.

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Message 13 of 277 (836638)
07-20-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
07-20-2018 3:12 PM


That's it again? Just a bunch of baseless allegations?

Faith writes:

The press is not free, not since Trump was elected.

Really? Who's controlling Fox News and Breitbart?

They are in thrall to an agenda.

You mean an agenda of calling attention to:

  • All his lies
  • The family separation screwup
  • The negative ramifications of palling around with brutal dictators
  • Cutting taxes on the rich
  • Increasing the deficit
  • Making healthcare for the poor less obtainable
  • Involving us in a trade war that is already causing layoffs
  • His anti-free trade policies
  • Ignoring Russian election meddling

They have given up on any pretense at objectivity or fairness.

So in your bizarro world it isn't objective or fair to report on what Trump has done and is doing?

Pirro is so right about everything that has happened.

Did she predict that if Trump told transparent lies that the press would call him on it? If so then she was dead on.

It's so extreme even you on the left should be able to see it,...

Trump's lies are so extremely transparent that even you on the right should be able to see it.

...it's really amazing how you all accept and repeat the ridiculous rationalizations.

It's really amazing how you keep defending Trump while offering nothing of any substance.

I read chapter one of Pirro's book. She's lies good, just like her fearless leader.

--Percy


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Message 14 of 277 (836639)
07-20-2018 4:49 PM
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07-20-2018 3:12 PM


quote:

The press is not free, not since Trump was elected.

Unfortunately for you they are.

quote:

They are in thrall to an agenda. They have given up on any pretense at objectivity or fairness.

By which you mean they refuse to be propagandists for the Trump regime.

quote:

It's so extreme even you on the left should be able to see it, it's really amazing how you all accept and repeat the ridiculous rationalizations.

What “ridiculous rationalisations” ? I note that you refuse to deal with Percy’s points - which deal with things that Trump has actually done.

Just accept it, lying isn’t working.


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Faith
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Message 15 of 277 (836640)
07-20-2018 5:16 PM
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07-20-2018 3:25 PM


When everybody is crazy but you, it' s probably you that's crazy.

Me and Jeanine Pirro and all the millions who voted for Trump. We're all crazy, right? Crazy, stupid, whatever.


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