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Topic: Reasons why the NeoCons aren't real Republicans
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 83 of 301 (218904)
06-23-2005 8:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 77 by Monk 06-23-2005 2:31 AM
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Re: No similarities
es, that would be fine with me. Let me explain why.
quote: In order for US citizens to be in a prison in a foreign country under similar circumstances as the Gitmo detainees, it follows that they were involved in a similar type of war on terrorism effort. Then since it is a war effort, those US citizens would actually be US soldiers fighting in a military campaign in a foreign country. So we have US soldiers who have been captured in a war effort, placed in prison and are now chained to the floor and denied food and water. They are a POW and are entitled to the provisions of the Geneva conventions. US soldiers understand that being captured behind enemy lines is always a possibility in war.
You answers seems to be in a situation where the citizen is a soldier. Let me put a very straight forward question to you - Would you agree with American Citizen (no connection at all to military) being locked in a prison without legal representation for upto 3 years, chained to the floor and psychologically tortured and then turned free without any reason given for their detention? Would you not expect your Govt. to try and stop such treatment?
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 85 of 301 (218916)
06-23-2005 9:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 84 by Tal 06-23-2005 8:46 AM
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Re: No similarities
But again you are answering the question you wish to answer rather than the one that is actually posed. I am talking about someone is released - no charges prefered, no evidence presented. No evidence ever offered that they fought as a terrorist. Do you think holding someone for three years and then just tossing them out on the street is the way a democratic country should behave? BBC NEWS | UK | Timeline: Guantanamo Bay Britons and before you start on the "what were they doing in a warzone" - It emerges that Moazzam Begg, from Birmingham, is now a detainee at Guantanamo Bay. He is reported to have been seized in Pakistan. So how long would you want american citizens to be hold without charge and with no recourse to legal action? I notice as a lurker on this thread that you find it difficult to actually answer the question put to you but an attempt would be nice...
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 179 of 301 (224234)
07-17-2005 3:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 168 by Faith 07-17-2005 11:50 AM
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Side issue - G-D
That's interesting I've had conversations with christians on the net who use G-D instead of God? It's actually a jewish thing?
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Re: Steve has his cake and eats it...
The Guardian or the BBC would not be considered Far-left papers by the people of the UK. An example of a far-left paper would the "morning star". The guardian is seen as a liberal paper.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Re: Steve has his cake and eats it...
quote: Americans who think post-election anti-red-state recrimination is a U.S.-only phenomenon should check out the cover of Thursday's Daily Mirror: Over a picture of President George W. Bush, the paper asked, "How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?" Inside, the left-leaning British tabloid headlined its editorial, "WAR MORE YEARS." In a clear demonstration of the trans-Atlantic culture gap, the paper's description of the president's beliefs”clearly intended to strike Mirror readers as a radical agenda”is simply an accurate, if crude, précis of his platform: "Mr Bush opposes abortion and gay marriage, doesn't give a stuff about the environment, is against gun control and believes troops should stay in Iraq for as long as it takes."
Which would not be seen as far-left by the british people
quote: The Mirror wasn't the only British paper with a striking cover. The Guardian's "G2" section was fronted by a page of solid black containing just two small words: "Oh, God." Meanwhile, the Independent ran the headline "Four More Years" along with iconic images from the first Bush term: kneeling prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib, soldiers fighting in Iraq, oil-drilling machinery, sign-wielding religious extremists, and a smirking Dubya.
Which would not be seen as far-left by the british people Both of those positions would be seen as being left to centre not Far-left. I think it's very difficult for people from North America to grasp how different the political discourse is here. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 18-Jul-2005 09:02 AM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 18-Jul-2005 09:03 AM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Re: You are unable to see it
Which study? where?
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 254 of 301 (224574)
07-19-2005 8:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 253 by Faith 07-19-2005 8:01 AM
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Special treatment
now now.. that's a bit rich coming from someone who to be given special treatment because you were incapable of going more than 10 posts without foaming at the mouth.
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