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Author Topic:   On the Threshold of Bigotry
Jaderis
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Message 101 of 333 (475749)
07-18-2008 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Hyroglyphx
07-16-2008 10:13 PM


Re: Fighting bigtory with bigotry
Hey NJ
I know the definition of bigot has been listed elsewhere on this thread, but we haven't traded barbs for awhile, so...
By calling someone a bigot, and ostracizing them on whichever one of their beliefs that happens to offend you, you in essence become that which you excoriated him for. In essence, you would be a bigot too since the very definition of the word is a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Your argument would hold if the definition of intolerant was simple disagreement or dislike, but it is not.
From Merriam-webster:
quote:
Main Entry:
in·tol·er·ant Listen to the pronunciation of intolerant
Pronunciation:
\-rnt\
Function:
adjective
Date:
circa 1735
1: unable or unwilling to endure
2 a: unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
b: unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
Do you see the 2b. definition? The one that is listed as synonymous with bigoted?
I have searched many different dictionaries online for the definition of bigotry and the definition almost invariably includes the word "intolerant." And intolerance doesn't mean simple disagreement.
A bigot is someone who is "utterly intolerant" of differences and intolerance indicates a complete rejection (especially in the face of reason) and/or refusal to allow differing opinions, beliefs, etc. It is not a mere dislike or a mere disagreement which is what Straggler, FliesOnly and others have been arguing here.
Bigotry is something much stronger than that and, as m-w states, it requires an unwillingness to endure (a strong word in itself which indicates a hardship which most likely would be actively fought against) or to share rights.
Which is what has been said all along.
{ABE: Happy belated our birthday! I turned the big 30. Hope it was a good one!}
Edited by Jaderis, : Birthday wishes to NJ.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Jaderis
Member (Idle past 3455 days)
Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
Joined: 06-16-2006


Message 297 of 333 (477948)
08-10-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Fosdick
08-09-2008 7:52 PM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage, and it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry.
Um...you do realize that lesbians also have a stake in the gay marriage fight, don't you?
You do realize that if lesbians are allowed to get married to each other then even MORE wives will be "created" than without it, don't you? That gay marriage would produce the larger number of wives, barring forced marriage, of course, right?
Now who is "anti-wifehood?"
It's funny how many of the homophobes tend to forget the lesbians in their tirades...it's quite telling as well.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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