school science projects: creation vs evolution

hi. i'm a reporter and i'm looking into what's new in science fair projects. i wondered if anyone is trying to tackle any challenging subjects out there, such as creation vs. evolution, or knows of others who have. if you have any thoughts, i'd be eager to hear them. my email: ellen2200@hotmail.com. many thanks.

i would hope that as a reporter, you would use better capitalization than i do.anyways, when i was in high school, i went to the regional science fair for one of my projects. there was someone there who had a project on "hydrologic sorting," which is the creationist idea that the fossil record could be caused by the great flood. the girl confirmed her hypothesis, which of course was a strawman of the actual geologic column. the judges must have questioned her for an hour.anyways, my suggestion is to go to a science fair. there might be a homeschooler or two there with a creationist project. it's certainly been done before.

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Pretty interesting question. In my neck of the woods science fair projects stick pretty close to mainstream science, and most of the projects are pretty basic. I've never seen a project that ventured into the creation/evolution controversy.Teacher's have to approve science project proposals, and so I don't think such a project would receive approval in public schools around here, but there are plenty of small private religious schools. The Bible belt would be a more likely place for such school projects. Prior to the ID movement taking hold one might imagine such a science project presenting evidence for Noah's flood or against radiometric dating and so forth, but an ID science project would probably attempt to examine complexity or present evidence of design.It'll be interesting to see if anything turns up.--PercyPS - I'm curious about something. One of the pet peeves of a couple moderators here is lack of capitalization in messages, and one of the complaints of some members is the anal retentive focus of some moderators on capitalization. Since you're a reporter posting messages without capitalization but who obviously writes articles *with* capitalization it would be very interesting to hear your position on the matter.

Hi, Ellen! There is a fair amount of such on the Web:
Page not found | Creation, Evolution & Science Ministries , for instance. The difficult part is probably separating the satire from the "real" ones......

you think i turn in papers for classes like this?

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I passed your query along to my old high school incase they have anything that might help you.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

When my husband and I judged at elementary school science fairs in public schools, we didn't see any dealing with creation vs. evolution. They stayed with the pure science oriented subjects. We're in the midwest. Now we're never going to get Arach to use capitals if a reporter doesn't. What is this world coming to? A recent children's book took what should have been two words and made them one and placed a capital letter in the middle, like a user name on the internet. It is a shame when the professionals aren't correct. Good luck with your story.

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There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

Our group's tech writer is *good*! But all her email is lowercase only. Go figure! Is this maybe like criticizing someone for not enunciating clearly in casual conversation? perhaps it's the rest of us who are out of step with the latest stage of progress in communication. maybe we shud embrace this change, grasp it and move it boldly forward to reechnewvistaswhernomnhsgnbfr.

and the Telegram is no more. I have no idea how it would even be possible to have a Science Project based on Biblical Creationism or actually any form of creationism. Creationism is simply impossible to display or even consider in a scientific manner.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Did you check out the site Coragyps offered: Page not found | Creation, Evolution & Science MinistriesWhen you think about it you realize that your run-of-the-mill science fair project also assumes the conclusions. For example, the student already knows he's going to get electricity when he pushes copper and zinc electrodes into a lemon, but that doesn't really prove anything about electricity. Or chemistry. Or lemons, for that matter. All he's done is something consistent with what is already known.But I pity the poor creationist science fair students who follow that website! Can you imagine one of them trying to respond to questions about "the DNA code barrier", or defending the mathematical impossibility of the evolution of flight?--Percy

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maybe we shud embrace this change, grasp it and move it boldly forward to reechnewvistaswhernomnhsgnbfr.

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Everything old is new again! No vowels, no punctuation, no paragraphs, no capitals and then 3000 years from now people will be trying to figure out what we really said. Cycle of language ...

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There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

When students participate in science fair projects, they are given a checklist to guide them. They are expected to express a hypothesis and show the empirical tests they used to test their hypothesis.For evolution related topics, this could be about adaptation of particular colored butterflies to the student's backyard.It is difficult to see how either ID or creationism could fit into these checklists, given the lack of empirical hypotheses even from advocates of creationism.[comments above based on my occasional experience as a science fair judge]

Maybe the high school lads and lassies could express a hypothesis about creationists and then test it by tapping their phones.Just an idea.

Hi Ellen. Welcome to EvC. We're pleased to have you aboard. One approach for a fair might be for creationists to exibit some evidence for the accuracy of the Bible, since the Bible is the primary source of creationist origins information.For example, have you seen the Exodus Video, which is a videoed documentary on the actual under water photographed chariot wheels in the Gulf of Aqaba/Biblical Red Sea. This is professionally done by lennart Moller, Swedish marine biologist who does marine exploration on the side. He wrote a book, The Exodus Case on the Exodus also. The skeptics pshaw it, but that's not surprising. {Abe: to delete sentence.} There's other archeological finds relevant to Biblical accuracy as well out there, not to mention the prophecies.There's stuff on the www on it, but if you search it, make sure you do Exodus Video and Moller since there's another videon of the same name of no relevance.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 02-05-2006 08:25 AM

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

'Lo, Ellen.I agree with buzsaw.A close investigation of the Exodus Video(s) would tell you a great deal about creationists and their take on evidence and accuracy.