Focus on the Family Will Keep your Kid from Being Gay

I know a straight man who communicates just like a gay man. Of course he grew up in California and was gay early in life. But as he says, if you are from hungary, you will sound hungarian.

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So is the homosexuality trait more like height (the individual has no control or influence) or predisposition to alcholism/violence/obesity (the individual may be predisposed but still be able to influence)?

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More like height..though environment does influence height via nutrition and exposure to hormones etc...so one does have potentially some control. And like height it will have a range where there are people who may be predisposed genetically to homosexuality yet show no homosexual tendencies at one extreme to those who even in a social environment that puts immense pressure to be straight, will still be homosexual. Interestingly, this is also the case with many single gene diseases where the causative mutation can be present but does not lead to the mutant phenotype. About the only single gene disease that comes to mind where you basically have a 100 % chance of showing a phenotype when the genetic mutation is present is in Huntingtons syndrome.

So, if an indiviudal turns from homosexual to heterosexual or vice versa, who is to decide if they were "never gay to begin with?"Good question as to the nobody is really gay. Another question would be is nobody really heterosexual? I guess the argument is which sex is an individual attracted to?Let's look at some facts.There are:1. Men that are attracted to women.
2. Woment that are attracted to men.
3. Men that are attracted to men.
4. Women that are attracted to women.
5. Men that are attracted to men and women.
6. Women that are attracted to men and women.
7. Men that are attracted to multiple women.
8. Women that are attracted to multiple men.
9. Men and women that are attracted to orgies.
10. Men and women that are attracted to farm animals.
11. Men (don't know of any cases of women) that are attracted to dead bodies.
12. Men (don't know of any cases of women) that are attracted to masturbation over victims they are murdering.Those are all facts.From a christian perspective, the bible outlines a healthy sexual relationship as between a man and a woman that are married. It says to stay away from adultry, fornication, idolotry, homosexuality, etc.
I interpret this to mean that marriage is a protection for us and sets up the family structure.From 1st hand accounts I see that people, men and women, can have sexually exploratory lives and "walk the straight and narrow" later in their lives. I've also seen straight christians turn homosexual (actual leaders of the church). So from all of these examples I have to conclude that sex is a moral issue that is decided by the individual.

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Ok, can you provide a link or a book (chapter, as I don't think I can do an entire book on genetics) for this?Next question for you. Isn't the logical evolutionary end to homosexual genetic disposition a dead end? By definition homosexuals aren't going to pass on their genes. I do understand that an individual may be predisposed to homosexuality but never act on it and thus pass the disposition along, but wouldn't it filter out after X generations?

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Tal, did you really just say this or is it a typo?

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So from all of these examples I have to conclude that sex is a moral issue that is decided by the individual.

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"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

You do know that anecdotal accounts are not scientific data, don't you? Sex being a moral issue has nothing to do with whether or not gayness is a choice or not. If a man knows he is gay is it moral for him to marry a woman?

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I do understand that an individual may be predisposed to homosexuality but never act on it and thus pass the disposition along, but wouldn't it filter out after X generations?

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Siblings, tal, share almost all of your genes.Also, remember that hormonal levels during gestation are a factor as well.

You don't have to possess the quality to carry the gene, Tal. For instance, a woman with a full head of hair can pass a baldness gene on to her sons.

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"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

We are getting close to the "witching hour" but I think we are on the verge of some interesting discussion. I will open a new thread on the genetics of homosexuality.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

I will have to look around a bit for a link that is open access. Stupidly, most of what I found is subscription based and copyrighted so if I link to it you will get a screen asking for a password or for you to pay. It is a pet peeve of mine since tax money supports research yet the taxpayer has to fork out money to read the results?I will see if I can find any free material.In principle you are right that you would expect a trait that does not produce progeny to die out. But since homosexuality is a spectrum, many with homosexual tendencies will continue to reproduce and thus the traits (in the form of gene combinations) will persist in the population. There may also be a selective advantage to the presence of homosexuals in the population..or like bonobos (one of the two living chimp species) use sex (even homosexual) to form social bonds and release tension. Since multiple genes and environment also play a role in determining sexuality, it is much harder for strong selection to act....the gene combinations can keep reforming as long as those carrying the individual components reproduce.

No this is not sound genetics. If the gay gene is recessive and confers some evolutionary advantage it can be carried in the population indefinately. I think I gave you the example of how gayness could be an advantage on another thread. Briefly, if I have a gay son and a straight son my grandchildren (from the straight son) may have an enhanced survival and reproduction rate because the gay son is more attentive to his neices and nephews than he would be if he had his own children. So my grandchildren in effect have three parents (or possibly four in the case of a gay spouse). The gay son may offer financial resources etc. to his nieces and nephews that will help house, feed, and educate them.Another way we know your conclusion cannot be correct is the high incidence of homosexuality in animals. There has to be a genetic component for it to occur so often across many animal species.

crap...this thread is going to close soon.Anyway, I found a few things that are open access that review the research on this subject (of course the genetics portion was under construction).Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipediaalso found a blog with more references to genetic studiesAttention Required! | Cloudflare

I have opened a new thread in the Coffee House for continuation of the discussion. In the OP I have some questions which I would be interested in hearing your answer on. I am still not sure how we are defining sexualities in a clinical way, or how we identify anyone as a specific sexuality (something that is generally a recent cultural phenomena and obsession).I will read the links you have provided.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Link?

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