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Theodoric
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Message 466 of 485 (749339)
02-03-2015 6:32 PM


Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
This is all fine and dandy but it is very old news. Muller had his conversion in 2012.

quote:
On July 28, 2012, he stated, "[G]lobal warming [is] real .... Humans are almost entirely the cause."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Muller

Charles Johnson is not really known for being up on the latest or accurate for that matter.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


    
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Message 467 of 485 (771250)
10-22-2015 9:09 PM


Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?
Please don't put my panties in a twist by promoting this piece of crap. Let GIA carry the burden of argument where GIA began it.*

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*Respecting by pronoun absence GIA's gender mystery, although it seems a Bizarro Planet version of innocence...


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Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Message 468 of 485 (771256)
10-22-2015 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Omnivorous
10-22-2015 9:09 PM


Re: Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?
Especially when it starts off with a false premise: That somehow "Every moral legal system I know of in the West and most of the non-Islamic world begins with equality for all."

Both Judaism and Christianity deny equality for all, especially for women. Very few philosophies manage to live up to the concept of equality in general and equality of the sexes in particular.

This is naught but Islamophobia.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Message 469 of 485 (771263)
10-23-2015 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 467 by Omnivorous
10-22-2015 9:09 PM


Re: Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?
I'd like to see the thread go through.

Not for reading what Greatest I am might have to say on the issue, but for the sake of having a discussion about the treatment of people within various religious cultures.

That some might consider such discussion 'Islamophobic' is really no reason to suppress it.

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


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Message 470 of 485 (771271)
10-23-2015 10:47 AM


GIA's Latest Thread Proposal
About Greatest I Am's latest thread proposal, Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?, I see AdminAsgara is looking at it. Usually the nature of a topic isn't a factor in promotion, though there have been a couple of particularly racist proposals that were turned own, or maybe they were threads that were shut down.

But what does GIA's topic have to do with the creation/evolution debate? Seems like GIA could have just dumped it into Coffee House.


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Message 471 of 485 (771312)
10-24-2015 10:02 AM
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10-23-2015 10:47 AM


Re: GIA's Latest Thread Proposal
After mulling it over a few days, I decided I should clarify my position. I'm aware this isn't intended as a debate thread, and I'll limit myself to this one clarification.

I have no desire to suppress any discussions. In fact, the topic GIA proposes in his new thread was already under discussion in his existing thread: the two threads are mirror images, halves of GIA's dilemma:

"Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?" or "Should the rest of the world adopt Islam's view of the inequality of women?"

GIA's advocacy of the former led quite naturally to discussion of the latter. Unfortunately (for both GIA's case and the discussion), GIA made demonstrably counterfactual claims and then refused to defend them. Consequently, the thread became a joke field: for the failed discussion, read up to the pajamas; for the jokes, start with the pajamas. Darn good jokes, too.

So now GIA wishes to shake off the dust of that behavior--a refusal to support the unsupportable, i.e., the untrue--in favor of a thread which contains neither examples of GIA's willingness to misrepresent the facts, nor GIA's refusal either to defend them or acknowledge them as untrue.

Sure, GIA could turn to the Coffee House. Fine. But I thought the topic promotion process was intended for something more serious than sweeping the proposer's ongoing catastrophic failure to debate honestly on the same topic under the rug.

GIA should engage the challenges already made to the counterfactual claims, and then, if possible, make the case at hand. Letting GIA step from 'Should we let them beat their wives?' to 'Should we all beat our wives?' is absurd enough. Doing so when the active thread displays an embarrassingly cavalier disregard for the facts rewards dishonest debate.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Message 472 of 485 (773952)
12-11-2015 11:24 AM


Topic: With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births?
Seriously. Why encourage this kind of stuff? I understand that GIA could have put the thread into Coffee House himself, but still, why not let him figure out, or not figure out that by himself?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


    
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Message 473 of 485 (775453)
01-02-2016 12:04 AM


Discussion of Phylogenetic Methods
I think if herebedragons needs to clarify or expand on any points, he might do so as well or better at the request of the membership (including Percy qua member) as at the behest of Admin.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 474 of 485 (775510)
01-02-2016 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by Dr Adequate
01-02-2016 12:04 AM


Re: Discussion of Phylogenetic Methods
You're writing about the thread proposal at Discussion of Phylogenetic Methods. I read the first message without looking at the second. I thought I was dealing with a technical thread proposal where I just needed to make sure I understood a few things first, the goal being to make sure the thread gets a good start with a comprehensible opening post.

Only after posting my reply to the first message did I glance at the second. This is beyond my current available time to review and understand. If you can get a second in favor of your motion to promote as is then I will do so.


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Message 475 of 485 (775511)
01-02-2016 11:21 AM
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01-02-2016 11:15 AM


Re: Discussion of Phylogenetic Methods
Second


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Message 476 of 485 (775823)
01-05-2016 1:02 PM


Also, why not promote forexhr's thread?

Yeah, his OP is very long. But I could condense the answer into three sentences, or two if I leave off "So fuck you, you pretentious monkey-loving jizz-spoon".

I'll leave that off, shall I? OK. I'll be nice.

ETA: I'm talking here about his topic proposal "Proof that evolution can build things by random chance alone". His other topic proposal is even stupider and easier, but let's do this one at a time.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 477 of 485 (775824)
01-05-2016 1:15 PM
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01-05-2016 1:02 PM


short term entertainment?
Also, why not promote forexhr's thread?

It would be interesting to see how fast he folds.


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Message 478 of 485 (775833)
01-05-2016 2:37 PM
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01-05-2016 1:15 PM


Re: short term entertainment?
Also, why not promote forexhr's thread?

It would be interesting to see how fast he folds.

It is pretty funny to see this guy dive right in with a smug, zealous, authoritative manner and expecting to be taken seriously with dozens of spelling, grammar, and word usage errors. English must not be his 1st language.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 479 of 485 (778092)
02-16-2016 2:16 PM


Nahmanides commentaries
With regards to OrthodoxJew's thread about Nahmanides and the Big Bang and people not having access to the source material, Sefaria.org, a huge online library of Jewish texts, is working on a public domain English translation of Nahmanides commentaries - his commentaries on Genesis are available here. It is still mostly incomplete, but if OrthodoxJew tells us where to look we could see if the relevant passage is there. The whole thing is there in Hebrew if anyone else understands that.

Reading the sections I have looked through gives you a good idea at least of Nahmanides' worldview, and allows you to judge pretty clearly whether his cosmology accords with modern science (I'll give you only one guess).


  
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Message 480 of 485 (786860)
06-28-2016 3:10 PM


How about Archangel's "Why did animals have to die in the great flood?" topic, then?
  
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