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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, I did a pubmed search on Kevin L. Anderson, and it only showed one paper. I'm not actually sure if this is the same Kevin L. Anderson, either, because there could easily be many people by that name. If he published twenty papers, it wasn't in any well-known professional publications, save one. I also have to mention that to be a retiring active research scientist and having published only twenty papers is rather telling. My husband doesn't even have his PhD yet and he's published four. Unless his papers tended to be very large projects which each took several years to complete, my guess is he wasn't a very productive scientist.
quote: I took a look at the webpage of the VACRC. Guess what I found? One things is for certain; Dr. Anderson has left science behind in favor of religion.
quote: Anyway, this is really an irrelevant discussion. It's just one scientist who has recently given up rational and rigorous scientific investigation in favor of a priori religious dogmatism. This does not in any way make Creation 'science' a legitimate investigative method.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Didn't read ahead...
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-24-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to message #124 and #125 in this thread please, Allen.
Thanks.
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allenroyboy Inactive Member |
I contaced Bergma...:
"A google search will locate hundreds in 14 languages. I must admit I get tired of the endless name calling such as this. When you prove I have a large number of articles and publications they will go on to something else, trust me. It never ends. I found 3 of my articles on Ohiolink alone. See below. Now he will look for some other way to attack my person. See Doug's website (Revolution against Evolution --RaE) for several article I wrote about this approach." Jerry Preclinical and clinical models of lung cancer chemoprevention. You, M; Bergman, G Hematology/oncology clinics of North America vol. 12, no. 5 (1998 Oct): 1037-53. Detection of differentially expressed genes in mouse lung adenocarcinomas. Lin, L; Wang, Y; Bergman, G; Kelloff, G J; Lubet, R A; You, M Experimental lung research vol. 27, no. 3 (2001 Apr-May): 217-29. Detection of genetic alterations in mouse lung adenocarcinomas bytwo-dimensional gel electrophoresis. Liu, J; Gu, P; Bergman, G; Kelloff, GJ; et al. Experimental lung research vol. 26, no. 8 (2000 Dec): 651-8.
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Randy Member (Idle past 6276 days) Posts: 420 From: Cincinnati OH USA Joined: |
quote: These also seem to be the only three papers that show up on Medline for this particular G. Bergman. This is a very low number for such an alllegedly famous biological scientist. I don't know what the relevance of Bergman's lack of credentials has to this thread since it is Woodmorappe/Peczkis who wrote the bogus book on Noah's ark and whatever else his credentials may be it is clear to me that Woodmorappe/Peczkis knows virtually nothing about the practical aspects of caring for large numbers of large and small animals without the use modern technology. Randy
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Rei Member (Idle past 7041 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Thanks, Allen. That enabled me to find his web page, instead of just pages talking about him. Now I can see how well the claim of over a hundred publications in non-creationist journals stands up. He has published 383 papers. The vast majority of them are creationist - including foreign creationist publications! Of the rest? Most of them are about teaching (especially reading). Next most is psych. Then come cars, book collecting, metal detectors, etc. One is even just the archives of a forum. Some things that he claims to have published in, such as "The New England Correspondent", are only mentioned on the internet at his web page. Some sound like they might be scientific - such as the "American Scientific Affiliation Newsletter" or "CEN Tech J" - until you actually look at what they are. He even got two in a humanist magazine (a counterpoint). He loves speaking about things that he is completely inexperienced to talk about, such as a unified approach to particle physics. He has an article that advocates lying in court as part of "Theocratic War Strategy". He has an article praising Wernher Von Braun, who used slave labor back in Nazi Germany. Real medical articles? Articles that have to do with biology? These are the only ones:
216. The History and Evaluation of Noninvasive Medical Diagnostic Treatment and Research Technique. in Research Abstracts International, Ann Arbor: Univ. Microfilms, Vol. 17, Issue 3, 1991. 251. Genetic Function of Introns as a Means of Reducing Copying Errors. Ohio Journal of Science, 94(2): 25 1994. 299. Dyslexia. MENSA Bulletin. May 1996 p. 8-9 No. 396 312. Use of the Internet to Compare Select Gene Sequences of Various Living Organisms Partnership for the Advancement of Chemical Technology. Final Project Abstracts for 1997 p.5. (*note: I question the level of peer review in PACT) 337. and Ming You M.D. Ph.D. Models of Lung Cancer Chemoprevention.Hematology/Oncology Clinics of North America. 12 (5): 1037-1049, Oct. 1998. 360. and J. Liu, P. Gu, G. Kelloff, C. Boone, M. You, Y. Wang. Detection of Genetic Alterations in Mouse Lung Adenocarcinomas by Two-Dimensional Gel Electrophoresis. Experimental Lung Research, 26(8):651-658, Dec. 2000. 369. and Lin Lin, Yian Wang, Gary J. Kelloff, Ronald A. Lubet, and Ming You. Detection of Differentially Expressed Genes in Mouse Lung Adenocarcinomas. Experimental Lung Research. 27:217-229, 2001. Of course he expects to get critiqued after he says that, because when he says that, he just inadvertently encourages people to look at what he's actually published. He's only published 7 scientific papers! 3 of them were on the same subject (and had several co-authors). The only one that could possibly pertain to evolution is #251. * - Berman's page is: Error | The Institute for Creation Research ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me." [This message has been edited by Rei, 09-26-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to message #124 and #125 in this thread please, Allen.
Alternatively, an indication that you are currently too busy to reply at the moment would be nice. Thanks.
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Dralasite Inactive Member |
may I point out an analogy ? (I know, the debate has gone past that subject but I wanted to give my own 2 cents! )
fishes in muddy waters are mostly like humans in a sand storm: try breathing during 40 days in a sandstorm without any kind of protection. Try also to feed yourself and sleep without shelter during that month of constant sandstorm. of course there are camels who can survive sandstorm for a couple of days but imagine a 40 days sandstorm happening to animals (or humans) who never saw one in their lives?these people and animals will be all dead in a couple of days (especially without shelter)... another thing (which may have been pointed out perhaps) is that many marine species (tortoise for example) need to rest on solid ground, they can't stay for a year at sea... I forgot: not only would the water be full of silt and dregs of all sort but also full of corpses from billions of creatures. billions of corpses decaying at the same and clogging the water may have been a feast for some animals but most other would have been poisonned...the seas must have been, at that time, a teeming soup of bacteria, an envirronment where few marine creatures could have survived... we were talking about ventilating the ark? but most certainly the air outside must have even more hideous to breath than the air in the shit-clogged ark! so, to go back to my analogy; the fishes were as likely to survive the flood as a naked human to survive 40 days of sandstorm in a sand desert filled with corpses. I call him dead before the corpses even begin to really stink...
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
While we are extending this thread ad infinum, could someone with shipbuilding knowledge please inform us of the physical possibilities of constructing an all wooden vessel 450 feet long (and to the other applicable dimensions) that could float without cracking in half.
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4579 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
There was a thread less than 2 months ago where they went round and round over that very issue. If you show 60 days of threads it should be down there somewhere in the same section as this one.
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
Thank you, Zeph, and sorry for unravelling this thread unnecessarily. BTW, I understand that until it was learned how to reinforce the keels and hulls with iron, a wooden vessel 450 feet long could not withstand the natural forces applied by the sea without cracking in half. Of course, I also understand that the physical properties of "gopherwood" remain a mystery.
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dominic_dice Inactive Member |
Which member of the Ark had AIDs then? Or was that created by Satan afterwards LOL.
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
Remember, it's not just the number of publications that's important. It's also how others in the field view those publications. Although not necessarily without problem the citation index (i.e. how many times other people have referenced your work) is often viewed as an indication as to the quality. I looked at some AIG 'geologists' and a few others and found the following:
I checked out 4 YEC scientists secular publications for their impact. I used the citation index as a relative measure of the importance of their work. For those who don't know, the citation index indicates how many other scientists reference your work. Referencing of work is one measure of its importance. I looked at John Baumgardner, Russ Humphreys, Jon Sarfati and Jan Peczkis. The results: Tops: Easily John Baumgardner is one of the top of the YEC mentioned here in terms of his citation index. Interestingly, all of his well-cited articles use old earth time scales (with specific numbers!). Russ Humphreys has a decent publication record, but relatively few citations. Sarfati has 6 published articles and a total of 48 citations. Of those 48 citations, 35 come from a Nature article which lists him as co-author. A second paper was cited 6 times and the others 1-3 citations. Peczkis has one paper with 12 citations, two with no citations and one with a single citation. His highly cited article is on the evolutionary development of dinosaur sizes. Austin has 1 article that I could find with 0 citations. Wise has one article that is reasonably cited (25x), but nothing recent. Gentry has several well cited articles (>50 cites), but nothing recent of note. Emil Silvestru who, according to AIG is a 'world expert' in karst has 10 publications in scientific journals, but none of those journals are tracked by the major scientific citation company ISI. Dennis Englin who is listed as a Ph.D. geophysicist on AIG's website has no publications that I could find. There are no details given on Graham Mortimer on the AIG site; however if it is Graham E. Mortimer then he has a strong publication record, but as near as I can tell he looks to be an old earth creationist based on the pubs listed under his name. Andrew Snelling has a few pubs in minor journals. One article has been cited 12 times and the other 6 listings have between 0-3 citations. Joachim Scheven has but a single publication from 1981 so far as I could tell and does not come up on a search in the ISI database. Tas Walker draws a blank Cheers Joe Meert
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simple  Inactive Member |
It is amazing how bears can last for so many months, even having babies in the time they are not eating. Yet bears living where food is plentiful in winter will not hibernate. Seems to me it would have saved a lot of work to trigger a shut down mechanism in many of the animals. Once again there is no need to make science look foolish by trying to apply it against the Creator. Science is not God. Your application and understanding of it is also not God. Science is not only trying to misuse facts to belittle God.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
This is, I believe, not a topic to which you are entitled to post.
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