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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined:
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I am sorry but that is rubbish. There are plenty of areas on the planet only gotton to over the last 200 years eg Australia and there are no ape people here or in Africa or anywhere else. Do they teach Australian history in Australia? Or is that just taught here in the states? You REALLY think that humans got to Australia and Africa ~200 years ago? Are you saying that whites are human and anyone of color is not? Well, then there's your answer. There's plenty of "non-humans" (by your standard) all over the place.
If niches went on towards humanity, the ones left behind still had no reason to perish. Have you met any humans? We don't even let OTHER HUMANS keep something we want. The history of the world is one group of humans showing up someplace and taking it from another group of humans. If, let's say Hawaii, were home to some other homonid species. You REALLY think that humans would show up, see them and say "Sorry, nevermind" and leave? Hell no. Humans kill. It's what we're good at.
Surely if evolution were true some part-ape tribe should still be around There are several apes around still. Gorillas, chimps, bonobos, orangs and humans. All of them descended from earlier forms.
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PsychMJC Member (Idle past 1331 days) Posts: 36 From: Modesto, California Joined: |
You mean to tell me that nobody has been to, COULD get to, or lived in Australia prior to 200 years? And you are FROM Australia? Wow, I didn't know their educational system was as broken as ours.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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It is all assumptive, based on probabilities and will continue to change as it pleases the stance eg chimp human split 4-5myo changed to 6-8my with Ardi. That is how science works as opposed to Creationist myth and superstition. As new things are learned the Theory changes unlike the Biblical accounts that cannot even be consistent in any descriptions and are only consistent in being factually wrong.
Creationist modelling and assumptions are no worse. There are no Creationist models. It really is that simple. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
One thing I notice about human ape research is that every year it is proclaimed that the missing link has been found. What happened to the one they found last year?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Good grief.
And you expect anyone to do more than simply laugh at your posts? Have you really never seen a family tree? Have you been that sheltered? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
What happened to the one they found last year? For every "missing link" found, you creos ask for two more. "Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I didn't know their educational system was as broken as ours. Even more brokener.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
One thing I notice about human ape research is that every year it is proclaimed that the missing link has been found. What happened to the one they found last year? Are you aware the newspapers and magazines are interested in getting people to read their articles? That TV shows are interested in getting people to watch? Scientists don't declare "missing link found", news outlets do. Why? Because it attracts readers.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
"MISSING LINK" MISSING THE POINT? by Lloyd Pye From a guy who thinks humans were created by an alien race. Portillo, sorry friend, but this is just plain assed dumb ***!
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3805 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
I was curious what CS thought it meant in his own words. I was hoping he might provide a definition so I could determine if he really understood what was meant when we say "derived." I was worried that future conversations may have the phrase "more derived" used in an incorrect context.
I understand the role of "shard and derived" in cladistics. I wanted to be sure CS didn't replace the term "more evolved" with "more derived" but keeping the same definition of: "something better than what came before."
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3805 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
Actually the term "Great Apes" is used quite a bit eve in scientific papers. The term primates is used when talking about the order primate. On a side note, many people confuse "apes" with "monkeys" and they are not the same thing.
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4539 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined:
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Mazzy writes: The reality is I am not wrong...and you cannot explain why no other mid species was lucky enough to survive till today. Not all mid species were exposed to exactly the same environment or anything, yet not one hairy species managed to survive. Sounds like a fairytale to me. I'm about to call a Poe here. A number of forum participants have already explained why we don't find living examples of what you seem to think of as an intermediate human species. (And explained. And explained.) It would actually be an unexpected surprise if we did find a living H. ergaster hiding out in some remote area. As has been pointed out, human beings have forced our way into every ecological niche we could, not leaving room for anything else that was there first. All our close relatives are gone, and I expect that all the other ape species will be extinct within my lifetime. (And I'm almost 50, so that's not so long, is it?) To use the example of another genus, if we weren't around to take care of them, our friend Canis familiaris, the humble ol' dog, would most likely either be driven into extinction within a few generations by their cousins the wolf (C. lupus) and the coyote (C. latrans), or they would interbreed with them and be reabsorbed. The niche that dogs would try to fill in nature has already been taken by relatives who are better adapted. Sorry, guys, no room for you. Or to use the language analogy again, what you're saying is something like: "I won't believe that Modern English descended from Anglo-Saxon unless you can find someone who speaks Middle English today." ABE: Which, by the way, means that you are quite, quite wrong. Edited by ZenMonkey, : No reason given. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: I dont see whats so dumb about it, considering sciences explore the possibility of extraterrestrial life and also panspermia. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I dont see whats so dumb about it, It's Lloyd Pye, nutjob extraordinaire. Have you read any of his books? Do you know anything of his nutjob views? Do you really want to use him as a source and be seen in the same light?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I dont see whats so dumb about (the idea that humans were created by an alien race), considering sciences explore the possibility of extraterrestrial life and also panspermia. Well, let's go over it. First, panspermia is the idea that the original extremely basic building blocks of life arose elsewhere and ended up here. That's not the same thing. Second, there is a TON of evidence supporting human evolution and, for that matter, all evolution of life on Earth. Third, assuming you disregard the evidence of evolution occurring on Earth (presumably because you disbelieve in evolution) and go with the claim that OTHER life came and made life here -- you STILL need to explain where that OTHER life came from. You've blundered into infinite regression. Either ALL other life arose from OTHER life infinitely back so that there is no beginning. -or- At some point SOME life SOMEWHERE must have evolved, in which case you are accepting evolution and have lost your reason to make the argument in the first place.
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