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Hyroglyphx
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Message 26 of 31 (519592)
08-15-2009 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
08-02-2009 10:52 AM


Is this "atheism gone mad" or a valid attempt to counteract the faith based thinking of many schools? Is it a rational response? "Atheist camp". Indoctrination or not? Would you send your kids?
I've been pointing out for years that there are very loud voices within the atheist community that have taken this perceived war against all things religious way too far. So far, in fact, that it's become itself a pseudo-religion in the absence of God.
I don't see how this indoctrination is any different than what we've witnessed about the Bible Camp documentary.
I wouldn't say that atheism has gone mad, per say, because not all atheists align with such a radical approach to viewing atheism. But there are atheists out there that have gone off the deep end.

"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. " Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 31 (519606)
08-15-2009 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Straggler
08-15-2009 10:39 AM


Re: Mirror the Methods Mirror the Results?
I think the people involved have a genuine desire to promote rational and independent thinking in kids. I definitely do not think that their intention is indoctrination and I think they would protest that allegation quite strongly and no doubt quite convincingly.
Anyone would strongly deny allegations of indoctrination, so that seems like a moot point, which is likely because "indoctrination" has a negative connotation to it.
However: My own view is that, no matter how well intentioned, if a group of adults united by an idea group kids together in a way that mirrors overtly indoctrinating organisations then it is naive to think that similar indoctrination is not a serious possibility.
Agreed. I have no doubt that Jesus camps, or whatever they're called, have benevolent intentions. But then the Nazi's had good intentions in mind too, and we all know where that went. Everybody thinks they're the "good guy," you know. I don't know of too many people or organizations that intentionally side with "evil" or things they know to be wrong. Rather they find compelling reasons to insist that what they are doing is right.
I remain conflicted on the issue and if anyone wants to convince me I am wrong I am open to arguments.
Conflicted on what issue?

"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. " Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 30 of 31 (519613)
08-15-2009 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Straggler
08-15-2009 11:31 AM


Re: Mirror the Methods Mirror the Results?
Conflicted in the sense that I think the stated aims of the camp, namely to promote independent thought and teach critical thinking skills to kids, are very valid whilst at the same time thinking the camps themselves are not a great idea for the reasons previously mentioned.
No great atheistic philosopher ever attended or needed a camp where they naturally looked upon the instructors as authority figures. Children need to foster meaningful relationships and to learn about themselves to instill confidence. Deep metaphysical questions will doubtfully hold their attention, so that whatever ends up happening, they'll just go along with the authority figures assuming they are the experts.
That's why indoctrinating children is so easy. They're just so impressionable.

"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. " Thomas Paine

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