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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Can Abe actually say that these APE skulls even belong to the same family/genus of Ape? There is no genus of apes. Apes occur in a number of Genera, such as Pan, Gorilla & Homo. You, I & everyone else on this forum is an ape. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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ApostateAbe Member (Idle past 4658 days) Posts: 175 From: Klamath Falls, OR Joined: |
bluescat48 writes:
An "ape" is the Hominoidea superfamily of primates, which includes humans. But, in conventional English, apes are the set of species that includes that superfamily but excludes humans, similar to how the common people use the word, "animal."
There is no genus of apes. Apes occur in a number of Genera, such as Pan, Gorilla & Homo. You, I & everyone else on this forum is an ape.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
In your OP you correctly admitted that "much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us". It does indeed, though the word "now" is superfluous, since it always did. This is why they were always classified in genus Homo.
But in your latest rant, you're calling them APEs (capital letters yours), denying that there is any evidence that they have any connection to humanity, and writing that there is "no evidence that these aren't just examples of extinct Apes". Which of these positions do you believe to be true? You must think that at least one of the statements you've made is a lie. Which? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There is no genus of apes. But there are several genera of apes. You have misunderstood what Archangel is trying to be wrong about. Having (correctly) admitted in his OP that Neanderthals belonged to the same genus as us, he's now denying that they belonged to the same genus as each other! Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
You must think that at least one of the statements you've made is a lie. Which? How about you don't use the word lie for a week? This could have been:You must realize by now that your own two statements are obviously totally contradictory. You may blush and pick one that you actually support.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Well, technically Archie is right. All he needs to prove is that a single person at any one point in time accepted evolution partly (and this can be exceptionally small amount compared to actual evidence of evolution) because of some fraud. So really, all he needs to do is find a guy who was part of the public in the 1950s who's acceptance of evolution was based on .000001% fraud and 99.999999% evidence to prove his point.
Does that have any value? No. Does it feed odd creationist delusions about their belief's superiority? Yes.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How about you don't use the word lie for a week? How about no-one lies to me for a week?
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Archangel Member (Idle past 1387 days) Posts: 134 Joined: |
Lithodid-Man writes: Hey arch,Just so I get this right, you are saying the the three photos Apostate posted of Neanderthals are clearly apes? I am assuming, now, you mean "apes" in the "just an ape" sense of the word as in "ape kind as opposed to human kind" not "neanderthals are apes because all hominins are a derived clade of African apes". Right, Apes as in extinct types which have absolutely no relationship to us via evolution cuz they all existed within the past 10,000 years or so. There is no accurate or consistent chain of fossil evidence which supports evos claims at all.
If that is case you have some 'splanin' to do. Have you seen a neander skeleton? We have pretty much complete ones. While different in many important ways from modern humans they are much much more like us than 'just an ape'. They walked upright very much like we do, the differences are mainly due to bone and muscle mass. They also buried their dead in a ritualized manner, probably had music, etc. Most creationists I know claim they were 'just human', you are the first in some time to claim them as apes. Please elaborate! Why do I have some splainin to do? Why must I explain my worldview according to your interpretation of what we observe according to your worldview's perspective? In other words, I completely reject your description of what neanderthal looked like or acted like in reality. I have already shown how corrupted the evolutionists interpretation of evidence is in various posts on various threads, so stop expecting me to support my arguments based on evolutionist definitions of what "is" in reality.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi DA,
How about no-one lies to me for a week? Yeah, I know, but we've seen this before. Archy's in the early over-enthusiastic phase we often see where he's all over the place and feels it important to repeat his accusations in almost every post, in his case that acceptance of evolution is based upon lies and fraud. I'm not moderating this thread and I haven't discussed this with AdminNosy yet, but I think AdminNosy's intent is to give Archy some time and some room for his fervor to diminish. As an observer just following discussions I greatly enjoy your ironic counters, but I think they can leave you vulnerable to moderator action. --Percy
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Archangel Member (Idle past 1387 days) Posts: 134 Joined: |
ApostateAbe writes: An "ape" is the Hominoidea superfamily of primates, which includes humans. But, in conventional English, apes are the set of species that includes that superfamily but excludes humans, similar to how the common people use the word, "animal."
NO AA, an Ape is a big monkey which was created by God will all of the other lower animals. It is not related to us in any way which is evidence by the fact that it is still living just as it did on that first day of creation. As for the fossils you attempt to label as our human ancestors, they too were lower animals who although interesting, simply went extinct and no longer exist. Most likely because of pressure and over hunting by human beings. Not because we evolved from them in any way over hundreds of thousands, or millions of years. You must stop expecting me to explain my worldview according to your evolutionist definitions of life and how it came to be as it is.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So, Archangel, do explain.
In your first post on this thread, you admitted that Neanderthals were "just as human as us". Today, you tell us that they were: "a big monkey which was created by God with all of the other lower animals ... lower animals who although interesting, simply went extinct and no longer exist". I should like you to tell me which of these two contradictory positions you think is true. You whine that:
You must stop expecting me to explain my worldview according to your evolutionist definitions of life and how it came to be as it is. But no-one is asking you to do that. What we want to hear from you is the creationist "worldview". Are Neanderthals "just as human as us", as you wrote, or are they just "a big monkey which was created by God", as you wrote? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
NO AA, an Ape is a big monkey which was created by God will all of the other lower animals. Wrong, an ape is not a monkey. There are 2 types of monkeys, new world that have prehensile tails & old world which have non-prehensile tails. Apes on the other hand are tailless. And stop saying that humans are above all other creatures that is an archaic idea st forth by men several thousand years ago. HUMANS are APES. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Archangel Member (Idle past 1387 days) Posts: 134 Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Wrong, an ape is not a monkey. There are 2 types of monkeys, new world that have prehensile tails & old world which have non-prehensile tails. Apes on the other hand are tailless. And stop saying that humans are above all other creatures that is an archaic idea st forth by men several thousand years ago. HUMANS are APES.-=
SORRY my friend, but you are deluded if you actually believe that humans are related to Apes in any real or specific way at all. I reject that definition of who and what we are and refuse to apply it to my human origins no matter how many times you attempt to affiliate me with being related to lower animals. So let me repeat it for you. I am above all other primates/lower animals on Earth. Maybe the reason why you and I can't relate to each other or understand each other is because "YOU" are directly related to apes, but I am NOT!!! I am a human being who was created in my father Gods image, by Him, for fellowship, and I am NOT the result of evolution from lower animals. So stop attempting to define me with your degrading and offensive perspective that human beings are just more complex animals, because I am much more than that with my personal awareness of MY Heavenly Father/Creator/God as well as my ability and desire to fellowship with Him. Degrade yourself and your proper place in this world if you like, but don't place me in that degrading box with you.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You must stop expecting me to explain my worldview according to your evolutionist definitions of life and how it came to be as it is.
Awwwww. You're no fun. Reading your elaborate fantasies and observing your deliberate and self-imposed ignorance is most amusing and entertaining. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Archangel writes:
Hey, you're the one that said humans are apes. Don't remember? Read your own Message 31 again, where you call all skulls in the picture (including a modern human skull, skull N.) "APEskulls" So let me repeat it for you. I am above all other primates/lower animals on Earth. Maybe the reason why you and I can't relate to each other or understand each other is because "YOU" are directly related to apes, but I am NOT!!! I am a human being who was created in my father Gods image, by Him, for fellowship, and I am NOT the result of evolution from lower animals. So stop attempting to define me with your degrading and offensive perspective that human beings are just more complex animals, because I am much more than that with my personal awareness of MY Heavenly Father/Creator/God as well as my ability and desire to fellowship with Him. Degrade yourself and your proper place in this world if you like, but don't place me in that degrading box with you. So, according to your very own words, humans are APES. I hunt for the truth
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