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Stile
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Message 106 of 112 (799800)
02-15-2017 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Modulous
02-14-2017 4:19 PM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
Modulous writes:

Possibly.

Exactly my point.

Until such a time that actual studies can get beyond this "it seems like this..." stage, the way I'm describing it seems to fit with what's going on as well.

All the studies you're talking about can easily be explained with the way I'm describing things as well.

At some point up the hierarchy of consideration a 'desire to help others' emerges - but that 'desire to help others' is almost certainly built upon things doing stuff without consideration of others per se. The pathways in your brain that lead to your decision to help others were shaped by reward/punishment trials in your past. Helping others has proven socially useful, which has reinforced the behaviour. The reinforcement process occurs using such things as neurochemicals which have the advantage of acting on multiple neurons over a period of time.

But there's one more stage you're not touching on here.

Perhaps this is where things developed originally.
But what about now that I'm fully consciously aware, I have time, and I'm able to consciously reflect on my past actions and my future plans?

Just because something (possibly) started out as a desire does not mean that the reason I do it now is still because of that desire.
Even if that desire is still present.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 107 of 112 (799803)
02-15-2017 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
10-06-2009 9:53 AM


a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
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You simply know the truth from what is not, by elimination, that is how people can ascertain what has been corrupted because
the truth would never be egocentric nor command people to accept or love, because true love is spontaneous, which means Love can't be commanded.
Also the Truth would never utilize a common generic designation, god or elohim, as if it was a holy name, much less in reference to him or her self.

re'Legion's biggest and most demonic lie ever told in your sacred bible was to convince the World that the means for them to be forgiven implied killing or sacrificing a person or a firstborn son, rather than just forgive. For the World so loved the god(s) to the point of killing a first-born son so that everyone who believed the price for their sins had been paid should believe also in the god.

. . . . .

Actually the only thing You can do for You to become friends with your heaven, that is within You, or other people's heaven is help the poor who live in your farm, town or city. Yet, people loved the dark of the beliefs in exchange for having the price for their sins paid at the cost of innocent blood because their deeds were evil

And the real I Am, being the Truth and Fidelity, would never declare or judge anyone righteous for his belief, which is evidence proving that there is a demonic nature in your sacred bible, that is the part that came from the lying pen of scribes and from the fathers of the beliefs or lies, and from re'Legion the devil himself who was made to be a specialist on camouflages that are made to make believe or simply not let You know what the truth is.

That is why there is a good purpose in the existence of a demonic nature in your sacred bible, because people are given a chance to think by themselves, or think by their own heads, and even forget about ministers, elders, reverends and fathers of the beliefs or lies. Also because in heavenly justice, it is like election with free spontaneous will, people are given the chance to set apart the light from the gloom, all by themselves, without religion or any external influence, and then choose the good and reject the evil

Brief Summarized Signature
Real life vs too pessimistic archeological-surrealism

As certain as my pet kangaroo rat has always an ace in the sleeve, whether Die Hard (the kangaroo rat) bluffs or not, it's only with a time frame that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying, per every 5,000 years interval, that it would be possible for European population to have taken 49,000 years to reach 1 million people.

This is why the evolutionary theory for the origin of the Human body has been mathematically proven to be a fraud. For not backing up what the theory is saying about the growth of Humans in Europe during at least 25,000 years ago.

Evolutionary theory, in regards to population growth average or Human multiplication rate in Europe, has been proved mathematically very inconsistent and that is why the teachers on Human origins have been omitting and not bringing up a valid population growth model or a possible average of growth for people in Europe to back up the theory.

If the number of children would always be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval within the rows of 5,000 years from 55,000 years ago then there's still the option of stop thinking by the head of an archeo-surrealist, which equates to stop drifting on numbers as if man is a beast and as if everything that happened in life was a disgrace,

That kind of chronological basis surpasses far beyond Hardy Har Har, a depressed, gloomy pessimistic hyena, always saying, 'Oh dear, oh my, I just know it's all going to go wrong'.

Edited by celestialGyoud, : I like colours


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ringo
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Message 108 of 112 (799805)
02-15-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Stile
02-14-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
Stile writes:

That still doesn't change the fact that when I choose to do a good thing, I do it because I want to help others instead of hurt them.


That doesn't sound much different from helping people because God wants you to. It doesn't really explain anything.
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Stile
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Message 109 of 112 (799831)
02-16-2017 12:51 PM
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02-15-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
ringo writes:

Stile writes:

That still doesn't change the fact that when I choose to do a good thing, I do it because I want to help others instead of hurt them.

That doesn't sound much different from helping people because God wants you to. It doesn't really explain anything.

I agree that it isn't much different. I never intended it to be. I also don't think it matters. What matters is actually helping people. There are some semantic notions about "why" that can be interesting to detail and investigate (part of this thread has done so). But it let's be clear that it remains "not mattering much."

This statement isn't meant to explain much.

It is only meant to explain the question "Why does Stile do good things?"
And it is very good at explaining that question.


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ringo
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Message 110 of 112 (799894)
02-17-2017 11:10 AM
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02-16-2017 12:51 PM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
Stile writes:

It is only meant to explain the question "Why does Stile do good things?"
And it is very good at explaining that question.


It's a tautology, not an explanation. I like ice cream because it tastes good.
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Phat
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Message 111 of 112 (799902)
02-17-2017 1:47 PM
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02-17-2017 11:10 AM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
Oh for crying out loud!
A tautology is defined as a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.

Why must you quibble over semantics?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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ringo
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Message 112 of 112 (799945)
02-18-2017 10:38 AM
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02-17-2017 1:47 PM


Re: Why I try to Help Others
Phat writes:

A tautology is defined as a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.
Why must you quibble over semantics?


If I said an elephant is not an eggplant, I suppose you'd call that semantics?

"I do good things because I want to help others," doesn't explain anything. Why do you want to help others?


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