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Author Topic:   Meat Morality and Human/Animal/Alien Rights
New Cat's Eye
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Message 115 of 173 (550452)
03-15-2010 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
03-04-2010 6:02 PM


Re: Meat Morality and Human/Animal/Alien Rights
Put it this way - If a highly intelligent, highly advanced far intellectually superior alien race came to Earth and started treating humans in much the same way that we treat animals (intense meat farming, milk extraction, slave labour, conducting experiments, testing cosmetics etc. etc.) on what rational and consistent basis could we tell them that what they are doing is morally wrong whilst simultaneously justifying our own treatment of intellectually inferior creatures?
None. What they'd be doing wouldn't be morally wrong if what we're doing isn't. Lions eat dear, people eat cows... Aliens eat people.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 158 of 173 (552104)
03-26-2010 2:51 PM
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03-26-2010 2:30 PM


Well that is basically my conclusion too. But I am not sure we would be quite so philosophical about it should that happen.
And the deer doesn't just lay down and let the lion eat it, either.
I guess (to contradict myself somewhat) that my actual conclusion is that aliens should treat us with some moral consideration based on our level of sentience and that we should also treat other sentient animals with more moral consideration than we actually do.
I think we do treat more sentient animals more morally. And the cute ones too
You know of dolphin-safe tuna, right? What's up with that?
Sure, there's exceptions and some people do terrible things. But in general I think there's a trend between level of sentience and how we treat them.
I just find it hard to get too worked up about our morally inconsistent treatment of animals for purely subjective reasons.
The point of this thread is simply to point out that inconsistency really.
I don't think many of them are that conscious that we're being very immoral. Who gets it the worst? Cows and pigs and chickens? Do they have any clue what's going on? Can they even consider an alternative? And how bad are the collective "we" really treating them?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 161 of 173 (552110)
03-26-2010 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Straggler
03-26-2010 3:03 PM


Re: Do Unto Others....
Pigs are quite intelligent creatures apparently. But that doesn't seem to help them much.
That's because they're ugly and delicious.
Is a degree of sentience that allows a sense of morality (even if applied inconsistently) what we could argue with those pesky man eating aliens seperates us from the animals we eat and generally treat without moral consideration?
Have we found our get out clause?
Perhaps, but it depends on the aliens. If they're blind and dumb and only perceive and communicate through telekinesis, or something, then we might be below the threshold of being sentient enough to have an appreciable morality to warrant not eating.
The general basis of morality is "Do unto others as you have them do unto you". On this basis we treat animals horrifically really. At a speciestic level that is basically what we would be asking those aliens to do despite the fact we ourselves do not.
Yeah, I think you have a valid point here with this thread.
If we want to say that aliens eating us is immoral, then we should acknowledge that we treat animals immorally too.
Cheers dude. I am friggin knackered.
I bet. I'm not ready for kids yet.

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