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inkorrekt
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Message 91 of 108 (293487)
03-08-2006 9:25 PM
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03-08-2006 9:13 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
You had quoted an example in which the reaction yielded a protein with ATP binding activity. I will rephrase the question. If the particular desired activity is for ATP hydrolysis, then ATP binding activity will not be useful.Is this correct?
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Message 92 of 108 (293498)
03-08-2006 9:52 PM
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03-08-2006 9:25 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
If the particular desired activity is for ATP hydrolysis, then ATP binding activity will not be useful.

Why not?


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inkorrekt
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Message 93 of 108 (295306)
03-14-2006 4:50 PM
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03-08-2006 9:52 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
It does not make any sense to me. What do you think is the possibility? If that happens, what is the purpose?
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inkorrekt
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Message 94 of 108 (295307)
03-14-2006 4:51 PM
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03-08-2006 9:52 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
It does not make any sense to me. What do you think is the possibility? If that happens, what is the purpose?
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Message 95 of 108 (295345)
03-14-2006 7:41 PM
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03-14-2006 4:50 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
It does not make any sense to me. What do you think is the possibility? If that happens, what is the purpose?

Could you make a greater effort to be clearer? It's still not at all clear what you're asking.


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inkorrekt
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Message 96 of 108 (299690)
03-30-2006 8:31 PM
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03-08-2006 9:52 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
If ATP binding is only for its own hydrolysis, then this makes some sense. Otherwise when ATP is bound and is hydrolysed, then, binding is unnecesary or it is a nonsensical reaction. Because, ATP is lost.

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Message 97 of 108 (299707)
03-30-2006 10:26 PM
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03-30-2006 8:31 PM


inorrect writes:

... it is a nonsensical reaction.

What is nonsensical is the idea that chemical reactions have a "purpose".

Chemical reactions happen or don't happen, depending on the conditions. There is no "purpose".


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kuresu
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Message 98 of 108 (300314)
04-02-2006 3:48 PM
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07-26-2005 5:52 AM


Re: Flood
The Flood caused the massive extinction and is responsible for the fossils and layers, in which the fossils are found.

There's only one massive flood, right? Which would imply one massive extinction, right?

How do you explain six mass extinctions that are recorded in the geological history of the earth?


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Message 99 of 108 (300319)
04-02-2006 3:51 PM
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04-02-2006 3:48 PM


Re: Flood
kuresu, there were too many species to drown all at once, so they were all drowned in six shifts.

I hope this helps.


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kuresu
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Message 100 of 108 (300365)
04-02-2006 7:10 PM
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04-02-2006 3:51 PM


Re: Flood
I would hate to work one of those shifts. Wake up and go to work at eight in the morning just to be dead by five.
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Message 101 of 108 (300380)
04-02-2006 8:32 PM
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07-26-2005 5:52 AM


The Flood is YEC and NOT ID
You'll disagree vehemently I suppose, and not all ID's are Christian and not all Christians are YECs and believe that Noah's Flood is responsible for the fossil layers, but I am and do.

Let's be clear here: you are a creationist and NOT an IDer -- you don't need the ID concept to believe the "Flood is responsible for the fossil layers" AND in fact the ID concept is silent on the question of the flood.

That is the answer from the YEC paradigm -- so far as I understand it.

Exactly, NOT the answer from the ID paradigm.

... (Noah's Flood) -- therefore, there are now fewer body plans whereas there used to be greater diversity.

This is not an explanation from an ID perspective, and in fact is irrelevant and off topic to the issue of whether "intelligent design" can explain these fossils.

The concept of "intelligent design" does not restrict itself to only deselecting species as they dwindle by natural selection, and in fact it posits design causing speciation -- new designs -- all the time.

In it's simple formulation ID really has no conflict with geology or the fossil record

or evolution.

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inkorrekt
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Message 102 of 108 (303376)
04-11-2006 10:45 PM
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03-30-2006 10:26 PM


you have the answer
You have answered the question without undesrstanding what I wrote in reply to the previous post.
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Message 103 of 108 (303394)
04-11-2006 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
06-06-2005 5:45 PM


Re: Bizarre logic.
Ditto!! Eledhan, WE NEED YOU!!


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ringo
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Message 104 of 108 (303407)
04-12-2006 12:29 AM
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04-11-2006 10:45 PM


Re: you have the answer
What answer? I didn't ask a question - I said:

quote:
What is nonsensical is the idea that chemical reactions have a "purpose".

Chemical reactions happen or don't happen, depending on the conditions. There is no "purpose".


If you have a response to that statement, just post the @#$%ing response. Don't say "you have the answer".


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Message 105 of 108 (303641)
04-12-2006 6:38 PM


ID or not ID, that is the question
The clincher for me against the hypothesis (has it moved that far?)of ID is the wonderful world of parasites. Whether designed by an Intelligent, Incompetent or any other 'I`s" you can think of, parasitism is so extreme, affecting all organic life (not just humans due to our fallen nature as our resident drama queen will insist), that either it has been a random, unguided process, or the result of design by the sickest puppy in the history of this world.
Parasite Rex--Carl Zimmer is a good starting point.
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