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Coragyps
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08-22-2010 6:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 126 by marc9000
08-22-2010 2:46 PM

In the sense that it's used today, it's intended to destroy the free exercise of religion.
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I don't get too involved in discussions of law very often, so I haven't followed this thread much. But as an inhabitant of a town of about 10,000 people that supports about forty or fifty Christian churches, none of which are taxed, I can assure you that you and David Barton both are very, very mistaken about statements like that.
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And from observation, I think I can say that Barton is deliberately lying, not just mistaken. I don't know about you, Marc.
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Coragyps
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08-23-2010 8:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 133 by marc9000
08-23-2010 7:35 PM

So you don't see any campaigns against religion in the US?
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I don't. I see churches on every corner, with no civil activities ever scheduled for Sunday or Wednesday evenings because "that's church night!"
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Coragyps
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08-23-2010 10:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 137 by marc9000
08-23-2010 8:15 PM

Okay:
Barton claims to have sold millions of copies of his books, tapes, and video and it has been reported that his video America’s Godly Heritage sold 100,000 copies at $20 a piece in the first three years. In this video, Barton claimed that the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" originated in a speech made by Thomas Jefferson made in 1801. Barton also claimed that Jefferson went on to say that "That wall is a one directional wall. It keeps the government from running the church but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in government."
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Two significant untruths in one small package.
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And I've lived in the South/Southwest for most of the last 50+ years. There's no "war on Christianity" here. And you're in Kentucky? Don't start fibbin', now.
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David Barton: Propaganda Masquerading as History | Right Wing Watch
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Coragyps
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08-25-2010 10:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 153 by marc9000
08-25-2010 6:33 PM

Maybe he had word-of-mouth information that can’t be proven on paper.
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I'm sure Barton hangs out with 200-year-old Virginians on a regular basis.
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09-11-2010 5:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 241 by dwise1
09-11-2010 2:31 PM

Re: Know what you are talking about
Dwise1 raises a very important point: we poor kids that were forced by law to relearn the Pledge of Allegiance - me in the second grade, but also the kids a year or two older, who had just finished memorizing it it its original form - were so deeply scarred by the experience that we went on to become the first hippies! "Under God" led directly to free love and LSD! (Not that I ever managed to get any of the former......)
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Mixing state and religion is a corrupting influence.
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Coragyps
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09-11-2010 5:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 243 by jar
09-11-2010 5:45 PM

Re: Know what you are talking about
I'll be damned! Me too! But it must have been a different Suzy in front of me....
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