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How to call the infallible to account.... (re: The Pope)

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08-15-2010 8:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Bikerman
08-14-2010 11:16 PM

Bikerman writes:
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Should the Pope be immune from questioning and potential prosecution? He is, of course, because he is a head of state.
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Not quite. The US has established the International Precedent that even sitting heads of state are not immune from arrest, questioning and prosecution. Ask Manuel Noriega and Saddam Husein.
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08-15-2010 10:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Bikerman
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Yes, but the US has established several such precedents that it would be best for the rest of us to disregard - pre-emptive war, 'unlawful combatants', extraordinary rendition and so on. They are not really precedents in the sense that others could do the same - the US is normally pretty clear that it will do what it wants to you, but you had better not do the same to it.
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Too true. I wonder though what would happen if others used those precedents?
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Another question I have though is if the Pope has actually done something that rises to the height that justifies any charges or action? I agree that his behavior in the child molestation issues has been less then exemplary, but still see little there that would warrant much legal (criminal sense as opposed to civil) action.
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08-15-2010 12:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Bikerman
08-15-2010 11:54 AM

That is very likely where things are heading.
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Rowan is facing a pretty serious drive towards splitting up the Anglican Communion but that is also true within the RCC. In particular, some of the practices and policies of the South American RCC factions are constantly challenging the Vatican.
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In the Anglican Communion the US Episcopal Church has definitely become a challenge for Rowan and it shows no signs of going away anytime soon.
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The thing that must be remembered though that as with all long term organizations, there are intentionally designed and created stumbling blocks in teh way of very rapid change.
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08-15-2010 12:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
08-15-2010 12:07 PM

Re: Exhibiting Historical And Doctrinal Ignorance
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most of the religious wars being between these two political-religious power players.
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Again, simply untrue Buz.
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The majority of religious wars have been Christian vs Christian or Christian slaughtering the Heathens. Nobody does genocide bettern we do.
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But even of your nonsense was true, it has NOTHING to do with the topic.
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08-15-2010 12:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Bikerman
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Yes, I'm very familiar with those documents.
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However I still am not convinced there is sufficient evidence to rise to the level needed for a criminal indictment of a Head of state.
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08-15-2010 1:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Bikerman
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No, I am not saying that a higher standard of evidence is needed, I just don't personally think the charges are sufficient to indict a Head of State.
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