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frako
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Message 1 of 18 (584093)
09-30-2010 9:30 AM


Gliesi 581-G

A planet that should be in the goldy locks zone has been found.
it is a bit bigger than earth, though by our understanding it should support life. It is only 20 light years away.

This discovery makes life supporting planets in our galaxy range from 10% to 20%.Thus significantly increasing the possibility of life on other worlds.

found this info on our news site
http://24ur.com/...mivosti/ali-e-t-zivi-na-gliesi-581-g.html
and re checked it on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581

would life on other worlds be in conflict the bible


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Message 2 of 18 (584297)
10-01-2010 7:17 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the habitable planets thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 18 (584300)
10-01-2010 7:23 AM
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09-30-2010 9:30 AM


If would not conflict with the hypothesis that Yahwah is real.

However, since it conflicts with the literal interpretation of the bible I would say that life on other worlds would conflict.

Here's hoping!


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Message 4 of 18 (584302)
10-01-2010 7:35 AM
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10-01-2010 7:23 AM


the sad part is we will not live to see confirmation, and if life there is intelegent even if we send a message to them it would take 20 years for the message to reach them and it would depend on them if they have the technology to recive it the brains to interpret it and the technology to send it back where it would take a nother 20 years for us to get the reply.

and to get visual conformation of life there one would need a ship capable of at least 20% light speed, and some form of cryogenic sleep cause it would take 100 years to get there have a look and send a message back that would take 20 years to reach earth


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Message 5 of 18 (584305)
10-01-2010 7:42 AM
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the sad part is we will not live to see confirmation, and if life there is intelegent even if we send a message to them it would take 20 years for the message to reach them and it would depend on them if they have the technology to recive it the brains to interpret it and the technology to send it back where it would take a nother 20 years for us to get the reply.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing.

But you never know, maybe some clever chap will invent a stable wormhole and we will be able to get there.

It's always got me down; not being able to see what happens in the future. I'm still fuming that we were not living on the moon and driving flycars by the year 2000!


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Message 6 of 18 (584318)
10-01-2010 10:29 AM


does Habitable imply inhabited?
First, so far we don't have a clue if the planet is habitable yet, only that it happens to be within what we describe very loosely and very likely incorrectly as a habitable zone.

If we look at our solar system using the same criteria there are three planets in the same zone, but TTBOMK only one has life. It is possible that the other two might be able to be terraformed to make them habitable but that would be a big, long term effort. Of the two, it is possible that with an intensive century long process we could make Mars habitable which might even be faster and cheaper as an option than extra solar planets.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 7 of 18 (584320)
10-01-2010 10:55 AM


No problem for Catholics.
The Catholic church officially decreed it is cool for the laity to belive in ETs.
http://www.universetoday.com/...says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et
The director of the Vatican observatory said its possible that intelligent life exists on other planets. And since aliens would be part of Gods creation, their existence would not contradict the Catholic faith. In an interview with the Vatican newspaper Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes discussed the Big Bang theory, as well as creation and evolution. The interview was originally published in Italian, but a priest from Holland translated the full interview to English and posted it on his website, FatherRoderick.com:

Edited by 1.61803, : added source link


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Message 8 of 18 (584328)
10-01-2010 11:39 AM
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09-30-2010 9:30 AM


No Conflict when Read Honestly
Read honestly, I don't see how the Bible could be in conflict with anything.

Jon


"Can we say the chair on the cat, for example? Or the basket in the person? No, we can't..." - Harriet J. Ottenheimer

"Dim bulbs save on energy..." - jar


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Message 9 of 18 (584340)
10-01-2010 12:15 PM
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10-01-2010 10:55 AM


Re: No problem for Catholics.
hahaah i wonder how christ works then does he travel from planet to planet to die and save the E.T s from their original sin. Are we the only ones who ate the apple? where we once all toghether in the garden of eden?
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Message 10 of 18 (584343)
10-01-2010 12:20 PM
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10-01-2010 10:29 AM


Re: does Habitable imply inhabited?
well they found 3 planets here that they thought where habitable the first was to close then they found a planet that was a bit to fare at first they thought it could be habitable, Now they found this one witch is smack in the middle. even if they calculated the goldy locks zone wrong it can still fall on the other 2
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Message 11 of 18 (584351)
10-01-2010 12:38 PM
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10-01-2010 12:20 PM


Re: does Habitable imply inhabited?
The issue is that the zone is only one factor. Being in the zone only implies that ONE criteria for life as we know it has been satisfied. It says nothing about the likelihood of it being inhabited. In addition, the zone was a very, very early rough estimate about where life might be possible. As we learn more and more about where life actually exists we are discovering that the zone may well be totally irrelevant anyway.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 12 of 18 (584359)
10-01-2010 1:04 PM
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10-01-2010 12:15 PM


Re: No problem for Catholics.
Did Christ travel to other planets and die to save ETs. from their original sin? I do not know. But if the ETs where not in the garden of eden, they did not eat the forbidden fruit so no original sin was committed, if one takes that story literal.

Are we the only ones who ate the apple? If you take the Garden of Eden story as literal then I would say yes.

Where we once all together in the garden of Eden? No mention in the text of anyone other than Adam and Eve so I'm going to say no. However some midrash puts another woman named Lilith there prior to Eve. Never made the cut though. Hope you like the pearls.


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Message 13 of 18 (584363)
10-01-2010 1:20 PM
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10-01-2010 1:04 PM


Re: No problem for Catholics.
Well, there are other Garden scenarios, like Wood Guthrie's in The Bragging Song:

quote:
Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum
Highly educated through history I have come
I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done

I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door
I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore
And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin'
And I swear that I'm the one that et the core



Dost thou prate, rogue?
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Real things always push back.
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Message 14 of 18 (584397)
10-01-2010 4:08 PM
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10-01-2010 12:38 PM


Re: does Habitable imply inhabited?
The issue is that the zone is only one factor. Being in the zone only implies that ONE criteria for life as we know it has been satisfied. It says nothing about the likelihood of it being inhabited. In addition, the zone was a very, very early rough estimate about where life might be possible. As we learn more and more about where life actually exists we are discovering that the zone may well be totally irrelevant anyway.

well the planet also has to be big enough to support an Atmosphere this one is bigger than the erth so loads of atmosphere for every body, from what we know wather is a key factor (there are extremofiles that live in acid but they are one cell organisms) so the zone is a good bet to look for complex life cause it alowes water in a liquid form.

what else you need for complex life is a good question? on earth we see that life fills every nook and cranny and it uses everything at its disposal.


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Message 15 of 18 (584470)
10-02-2010 12:49 AM


Although we can't currently be certain that these "earth like" planets discovered thus far are actually habitable at all. If they are and there are hundreds of advanced intelligent civilizations like ourselves, just in our own galaxy, it's one of those most heart breaking things that more than likely we will never hear from them. Since for most the light year distance will be much more than the alien civilization is likely to last before becoming extinct.

Even if one day we pick up an alien signal, chances are the civilization that it originated from has long been eradicated. Unless of course super advanced civilizations do exist and have mastered a life outside of their home planet.


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