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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 1 of 25 (607468)
03-02-2011 2:32 PM


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Sample of answers often posted,
quote:
.. you haven't provided the scripture you're referring to
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If the scribes asked the lamb to provide a scripture reference (book, chapter, and verse) and bible translation,
would that be necessary?
That's not necessary because every fragment of ancient writing is self-evident. The ancient writings are evidence for themselves
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If you recognize the alleged authority of any Archbishop then use the reference number of verse and chapter division that they printed in the bible for themselves.
If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form.
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Message 3 of 25 (607470)
03-03-2011 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
03-03-2011 1:49 PM


Would you call it happiness
ringo writes:
CraztDiamond7 writes:
If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form.
It has nothing to do with recognizing authority. It's just common courtesy to give the references - so people know what you're refering to.
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- To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions,
Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form?
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And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word
Would you call it happiness?
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 8 of 25 (608460)
03-10-2011 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by ringo
03-03-2011 4:00 PM


Let's come out of this BABY
ringo writes:
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
- To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions,
Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form?
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And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word
Would you call it happiness?
If I was God, I wouldn't be so petty.
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But the word does not belong to a god or elohiym; common generic designation for deities in the Middle east.
The word belongs to I AM
EL [the One that Declares]
ELYON [from a celestial place]
If you were as I AM
you would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM
instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals.

If you were as I AM you would declare this, let's come out of her,
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quote:
From the writing entitled What does coming out of Babylon mean,
A person begins to come out of the things that pertain to Babylon when (s)he will know what names, numbers, signs, and doctrinal images, belonging to the church that has the title ‘Mother’, were mixed in the translations of the bibles;
all things that do not pertain to the Torah nor to the books of the Prophets as originally written such as the word ‘baptism’ originated from the Roman terms Vattsimus (battesimu——augury) and Vaticynius (consecration made through augury or prediction); and images of doctrines of faiths and things that belong to the mixed translation and terminology that was left in the bible for the exclusive use of the State of Vatican and the Roman ordinations.
1st. There is only one woman (church; city; congregation) that calls herself by the title Mother which is also written on her forehead. Therefore the great Babylon is not about too many women but one Mother church; city or congregation.
2nd. A gilded cup of wine. On her forehead the title Mother of beliefs and spiritual fornications [type of love dedicated to images of saints] does not reveal who it is unless there is a woman--church which calls herself by the spiritual title Mother, and offers in her rites and masses for the nations a gilded cup full of the belief that the wine she has drunk is transubstantiated into holy blood.
3rd. A Babylonical; great or big in size. Vaticanus hill is one of the seven hills upon which the city of Rome was built; - A woman sitting upon a scarlet force. Symbolism of the flag of the Vatican's army -- the Swiss cross on a red field ultimately derives from a similar banner of the Roman Empire.
Book of Revelations clears up that the scarlet beast itself is the eighth nation, and is of the seven, for being Rome which in the past was the Roman empire. That is the beast that was and is not.
Therefore, literally, there is an eighth nation -State of Vatican which is of the seven for being of Rome. The scarlet beast; the scarlet force that was (a Roman empire) and is not, lives in the form of reverenced ordination.
. On the day a person comes out of Babylon then (s)he begins to revert the substitutions that had been made to the translations, knowing that the words 1st. Lord 2nd. god (elohim), 3rd. IESVS, JE-SUS (I-HORSE, Sameq, Vav, Sameq, 60,6,60); 4th. Christus; 5th. cross; 6th. crucify; 7th. baptism, 8th. faith (Roman doctrine of fides quae creditur and belief)
had been placed as substitute words for 1st. YHWH/Iahveh; 2nd. EL [ELYON]; 3rd. Iahveh’shua [UNCTION OF I AM]; 4th. Anointed, 5th. tree, 6th. suspend, 7th. Unction, 8th. Emunah--fidelitate--fidelity (hearing rather than working up a belief; understand; having ears to hear; give permanence; remain; endure).
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Just as the word staff means stick and persons (a body of assistants) at one time, even so the word stick was used before in ancient writings to represent people,
I will gather the stick of Jiusaff (House of Joseph), which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the sticks of the tribes of Ishrael his fellows, and I will gather them all together to the stick of Judah (House of Judah) and make them into One stick in *mine* gathered hands.
Now a word that isn’t unnusual: Baby, which the Four Sticks use not to represent people, because the following Baby is for those who hide their love to depths of life
and ruin dreams that we all knew so,
O Baby, I got to fly — because you know I got to get away from you Baby
The message about who is the Baby from whom the Four Sticks are getting away, was previously sung in Celebration Day,
her name is B’rown, A’white or B’lack, You know her very well
you can hear her cries of mercy as the winners toll the bell
Instead of coming out of her, many are heading to the opposite direction,
There’s a train that leaves the station heading for your destination
But the price you pay to nowhere has increased a dollar more
And if you walk you're gonna get there, tho' it takes a little longer,
And when you see it in the distance you will wring your hands and moan.
The poor ones who take a little longer to get there and the ones who do not take the train nor pay the price one pays to nowhere (tithes of salary), will not be there when Baby fall.
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 10 of 25 (608475)
03-10-2011 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by fearandloathing
03-10-2011 3:07 PM


Re: Let's come out of this BABY
fearandloathing writes:
..maybe you can fix all the stuff that's wrong with the whole book..
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I didn't say that there was anything wrong with the substitutions.
Actually every replacement of words in the whole book was necessary,
for example, who wins when the Tetragrammaton is set apart and separate from the religions,
When one keeps the Tetragrammaton separate from being used in the tradings, then the substitute name for the lamb, Iesus and the title 'lord', that have been used for the interests of the tradings of religion are necessary.
quote:
Sample of answers often posted,
..The removal of the sacred names must be considered evil and a dishonor.
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Not every translation of scripture is made exclusively for the elected ones.
The translations made for the eighth nation (the State of Vatican) is a sample of things made for the interests of religion and doctrines.
What if the set apart names were not set apart but left for the interests of the trades of religion,
instead of their usage of the substitute names Iesus and lord?
Would that not be a real evil and a dishonor?
quote:
When one keeps the Tetragrammaton separate from being used in the trades, then the substitute name for the lamb, Iesus and the title lord, that have been used for the interests of the tradings of religion are necessary.
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 16 of 25 (608587)
03-11-2011 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Omnivorous
03-10-2011 7:36 PM


A god does not declare anything
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Omnivorous writes:
.... was a much better writer than god.
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Of course, as it was pointed out before, that a god or elohiym is worth less than nothing
The oracle(s) or elohiym are not Mighty One(s); they do not declare anything.
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The Unique and Ancient meaning of אל EL
That the original meaning of אל EL is THE ONE THAT DECLARES is evident since there’s no usage of the generic term for deities, elohiym, in the following samples,
אל עליון
El Elyon
The Highest One that Declares
אל שדי
El Shaddai
The All-Sufficient One that Declares
אל ישראל
El Yishrael
The One that Declares to Yishrael
אל ישועתי
El Yeshuati
The One that Declares me Winner
אל השמים
El Hashamaiym
The One that Declares from a Celestial Place
אל אמת
El Emet
The One that Declares the Truth
אל גבור
El Gibbor
The Mighty One that Declares
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This is from the writing entitled Regard Yhwh in a Qodesh [Set apart] way
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quote:
Was the word EL אל, when the bibles were translated from the Hebrew manuscripts, substituted with elohimgod(s) ?
The Scribes took the keys of the door of Scripture and hid them; nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. You, however, be precautious with serpents and innocent as doves! —— (The Tomah Gospel Paraphrased).
To be precautious; not to act hastely, seeing first in the original Scriptures the distinction between the word EL אל (a Separate word for Yhwh) and the term that is to use for calves and heathen images: god and elohimgod(s) which is a generic and common name. In a fragment from the Book of IsaYah it is cleared up:
You shall regard Yhwh as Qodesh [in a Set apart way]
[To regard separately from all common names used in the treatment given to the image of heathen, calves of deities and baalim].
[You shall regard Yhwh separately from all else; that is to regard in a Qodesh way]
There’s more evidence that in the translations at more than 2300 places of the Bible the word EL אל has been substituted with a common name for deities in the Middle east.
Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of scribes [translators of bible] you'll in no way find entrance to the kingdom that I AM.
For a pharisee or a scribe who makes copies and translates the bibles it's allegedly plain righteous to place the Qodesh [Separate One] in the same level of the image, deities and idols, utilizing the same plates of the scale of justice for both; Yhwh and the image of the heathen which is less than nothing,
by using in the translation, for Yhwh, the same generic term for deities: elohiymgod(s), which the living Word has used when referring to the image of heathen, calves of deities, elohim and baalim.
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Once one ascertains that the Hebrew word EL (THE ONE THAT DECLARES) is not the one word being used in the fragment of manuscript that says ‘baal zebub elohiym of Ekron’,
then one sees that EL ELYON has nothing to do with the habit of bizarrely consecrating the generic term elohiym [or god] whether by capitalizing it or naming it holy and divine name.
Because when there’s evidence that some scribes [or bible translators] hid the keys of the door of the original writings, so that they could keep the right ones out and let the wrong ones in, and seeing that instruction was given for one to be precautious,
then it is even more cleared up that the living Word who said: ‘..baal zebub elohiym of Ekron’ did not translate the common name elohiym as Mighty One(s).
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quote:
The original meaning of elohiym (oracles)
In the Hebrew writings of the words spoken by Yahweh one ascertains that the original meaning of elohiym is oracle(s). — When the word elohiym is translated into oracle(s) then the knowledge of the transgression of the Law is become visible since the word oracle(s) implies that the god or deity would be working up the consults to the people that will go to consult the oracle(s). That knowledge of transgression is not visible when the generic term for deities, elohiym, is translated into god or deity because the word ‘god’ does not contain the meaning that the image of the heathen and calves would be declaring anything.
You shall have no elohiym before me.
The word ‘generic’ means ‘pertaining to a genus or common class’.
The One who is Qodesh (Separate One) does not pertain to the genus of the deities. To be Qodesh is being set apart from the generic.
From the definition (of elohiym), ‘a generic designation for deities in the Middle east’, the word ‘generic’ means ‘pertaining to the genus or class of those deities’.
I AM THAT I AM ( יהוה יהוה ) has nothing to do with pertaining to a genus or class.
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The word אל EL which abbreviates ELYON
Knowing that the meaning of ELYON is HIGHEST and FROM A HIGHEST CELESTIAL PLACE, one ascertains that in the sequence EL ELYON the word אל EL abbreviates (antecipates) ELYON to let it clear that EL (THE ONE THAT DECLARES) has nothing to do with the elohiym, oracles and deities.
In the re-editions that were made for the Hebrew bible and precisely in the first five books, evidences are found that whenever the generic term for deities, elohiym, appears in reference to the Qodesh (Separate One), it appears in places where the texts were re-edited not by Mosheh but by the pen of the scribes.
Because Mosheh, when writing about his deeds, does not do it using the third person of the singular saying ‘he did’. The clues indicate that in the original manuscripts, written by the pen of Mosheh, he speaks about his deeds using the first person of the singular, ‘I did’.
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Message 18 of 25 (608594)
03-11-2011 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
03-10-2011 6:39 PM


Re: Let's come out of this BABY
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ringo writes:
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
If you were as I AM
you would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM
instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals.
.... I'd be glad of any number system that helped make My Holy Word™ easier to understand.
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You are really talking about a god; it's a god that would need to be believed so that it can in fact exist;
and it's a god that would need a lot of help coming from man no matter if that help comes from silly goats.
Since when did the clay become the potter
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Message 19 of 25 (608600)
03-11-2011 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Omnivorous
03-11-2011 2:13 PM


Re: A god does not declare anything
Omnivorous writes:
There is more profound human truth ....
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And there is more people searching for a unique celestial truth rather than the many truths of the humans
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 22 of 25 (608975)
03-15-2011 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Omnivorous
03-11-2011 3:51 PM


A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]
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Omnivorous writes:
There are no celestial truths .. ..
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Your sentence is incomplete.
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This is the completeness of the sentence,
There are no celestial truths unless there's tangible evidence of prophecy being fulfilled in real time.
The following takes place when having a calculator in one's hand and an instruction in the other that says 'count the number of the beast',
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* In a book of 66 books there’s a book of 66 chapters;
in the first pair of 6 chapters there’s a pair of 6 verses;
find the end of this sequence
and the result will be
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From a quotation of Spotlight,
1:2
In nomine patri—filii et spiritu sanctum having feet and hands of a bear;
seeing that bears impose their right hands, never their left;
and that which has body and head of a leopard has agility to camouflage the sign of the name of its scar
cicatrix
on the foreheads of small and great, rich and poor, free and bond.
1:3 I Am who first gave name to this
segnale
And the name I gave to it is In nomine [IN THE PLACE OF MY NAME]
wounding the front of a scarlet Roman force that was, and is not, and is
sealed to go into perdition
If a wound is made in a cross-shape it does not scar.
On the day named Today the one that was and is not has the front of the head as having been deadly wounded;
and its
stigmata of wound by the sword as having been healed;
it lives in the form of reverenced ordination when one speaks a *number to sell the word with which the persons are bought
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SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
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ITALIAN: UNO, DUE, TRE, QUATTRO, CINQUE, SEI, SETTE
PORTUGUESE: UM, DOIS, TRS, QUATRO, CINCO, SEIS, SETE
SPANISH: UNO, DOS, TRES, CUATRO, CINCO, SEIS, SIETE
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Three sequential sixes in Hebrew Numeric Value
SVS
SUS (horse) סוס
SMEQ — 6,0
VV — 6
SMEQ — 6,0
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When the name given to the lamb, Iahveh’shua [Unction of I AM] was written by Pilate,
this was heard, Don’t write I Am but that this one says to be so.
Pilate said: What I have written is what is being given for me to write.
The reversed realm is a man’s name or the name of Vivi Sei, a she-goat that has the face of a mare and the top of its head similar to a new lamb,
and the number of its name is 6,6,6
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 25 of 25 (609108)
03-16-2011 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Omnivorous
03-16-2011 10:31 AM


Re: A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]
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Omnivorous writes:
.. why you're being allowed
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When you have the chance to verify, through elementary math operations,
that three sequential sixes are going to be the result from counting the edges and terminations of sequence of the divisions of verses, chapters and books from a book of 66 books
then would it not be unnusual if anyone who takes advantage from an Archbishop work [that is the Vatican's numbering system to sell the word] had not often complained that to call it number of the beast is not allowed?
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