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Adminnemooseus
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Message 1 of 16 (614054)
05-01-2011 1:36 AM


When you find a post that is too good to be missed, nominate it here as one of the May, 2011, Posts of the Month (POTM).

You message subtitle should include the author's name and the topic/thread title.

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Author: Author's Name
Forum: Forum where posted
Thread: Thread title
Message #: Number and Link to the nominated message

Nominations should include a link to the nominated article, and a short comment on why the message deserves nomination.

Note: As always, this is not a thread for debates. Posts should be limited to nomination, seconds, and acceptance statements by nominees.

    
Bolder-dash
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Message 2 of 16 (617588)
05-29-2011 10:02 PM


Crashfrog's insight on police culture
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?control=page&t=155...

Post number 13 on the Jose Guerena thread from Crashfrog.

What he wrote is clearly the case of what is true in the culture of the modern American police force. Most people want to avoid mentioning that it is actually part of the job description of a policeman that you are willing to put yourself into dangerous situations that we wouldn't require of the average citizen. And yet that whole concept has been flipped on its head, so that the police need to be in a situation that is safer that what the average person has to experience, and the emphasis seems to be on protecting the police rather than protecting the citizenry.

It is so common that we have almost come to accept it as normal, as how it is supposed to be because it is so overwhelmingly the case. But as Crashfrog verbalized well, it is a perversion, the anti-thesis of what we should expect of people who volunteer to protect us. His post fills in the gaps of instinctive understanding that something is very wrong that is hard to completely put your finger on.


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Panda
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Message 3 of 16 (617589)
05-29-2011 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Bolder-dash
05-29-2011 10:02 PM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
Bolder-dash writes:

Post number 13 on the Jose Guerena thread from Crashfrog.


Although I think I prefer post no.14, I will second your nomination.
I have found virtually all of Crashfrog's posts in that thread have been succinctly and clearly worded; accurately reflecting my own thoughts on the matter (and also pointing out aspects that I had not considered).
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Taz
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Message 4 of 16 (617591)
05-29-2011 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Bolder-dash
05-29-2011 10:02 PM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
Haha, those posts are the equivalents of tea party sensations translated to liberal lingo.

-1 here.

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crashfrog
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Message 5 of 16 (617592)
05-29-2011 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
05-29-2011 10:42 PM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
Haha, those posts are the equivalents of tea party sensations translated to liberal lingo.

The arguments contained in those posts await your rebuttal at your earliest convenience, if you're able.

And to Bolder - thanks, dude. Very big of you to nominate me for a POTM.

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Taz
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Message 6 of 16 (617602)
05-30-2011 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by crashfrog
05-29-2011 10:50 PM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
Let see... where to begin...

I'll respond to those posts in due time. Have you ever talked to creationists that are so convinced they are right? Have you ever talked to the ones whose beliefs are always slightly off enough for them to draw a completely different conclusion than conventional science? You of all people should know that rebutting their slightly off misconceptions written in sensationalist language is probably one of the most frustrating things people on the science side have to do. Personally, I don't really bother any more.

Your view of police work is like that. Everything you say is slightly off that when combined show a completely different picture than what reality shows. When I read your posts, all I could do was a double face palm. And note that I am by no mean an expert cop. There are still a lot of things I need to learn. But I decided to give it all up and went back to my engineering science career.

Anyway, I see that creationists are not the only ones who can write things in clever sensationalist language. The difference is I'm at a disadvantage in this case because most people here have never done anything close to police work, unlike science.

Edit.

Nevermind. After reading your latest post, I've changed my mind about responding to you. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time taking you seriously anymore. Tone down the tea party sensationalist language and may be we'll talk some more.

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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 16 (617605)
05-30-2011 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taz
05-30-2011 12:03 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
Have you ever talked to creationists that are so convinced they are right?

I've spoken to many people who were convinced they were right. Most people who hold a position do so because they're convinced it's the right one. Hard to argue something when you think it's wrong.

But, yes, I have talked to people who'd set themselves up behind a nearly unassailable wall of confidence. For instance, recently I spoke to an ex-cop who, in the same breath, despised those who got away with law-breaking and then explained how he never got tickets because he only violates speeding laws by less than 10 MPH. That he'd proved himself a hypocrite in the space of two sentences seemed completely lost on him.

Funny old world, isn't it!

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Taz
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Message 8 of 16 (617607)
05-30-2011 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by crashfrog
05-30-2011 12:54 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
crashfrog writes:

...despised those who got away with law-breaking...


I see... you got nominated for PotM by taking my words out of context and obfuscating what I actually said.

And by the way, I have no unassailable wall of confidence. You probably missed all the times I said I was only a cop for a short while and in no way setting myself up as an expert in copery and know everything about coperfication. This is something that you completely made up and I demand an apology for lying right through your teeth about me.

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crashfrog
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Message 9 of 16 (617612)
05-30-2011 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Taz
05-30-2011 12:59 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
You probably missed all the times I said I was only a cop for a short while and in no way setting myself up as an expert in copery and know everything about coperfication. This is something that you completely made up and I demand an apology for lying right through your teeth about me.

Why would I apologize for what you did? The only accusation of being an "expert in copery" made by anyone in that thread is the one you made to me in Message 84. Or did you not say:

quote:
You really do need to try to get to know some of this stuff before you decide to further sound like an expert in copery.

Since you seem to think that's something that merits an apology, I'll await yours to me.

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Taz
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Message 10 of 16 (617615)
05-30-2011 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
05-30-2011 1:25 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
crashfrog writes:

Why would I apologize for what you did? The only accusation of being an "expert in copery" made by anyone in that thread is the one you made to me in Message 84. Or did you not say:


You seem to be forgetting everything from philosophy 101, especially the parts about logical fallacies.

It is true that you did not accuse me of declaring myself an expert in copery in that thread, but you did do it here. Furthermore, your very strong language and accusations have done everything but outright say you are an expert in copery.

That said, when I made this accusation about you, I actually have a point. All one has to do is read through that thread and see the kind of sensationalist language you've used. You've even created fans who nominated you for PotM for your "insight" in the police culture.

I, on the other hand, have said many times that while I have some insight in the police culture I am far from being an expert in copery.

Here is that paragraph you said in this thread again. Hopefully, this time it will stick, since it's your own words.

crashfrog in message 7 writes:

But, yes, I have talked to people who'd set themselves up behind a nearly unassailable wall of confidence. For instance, recently I spoke to an ex-cop who, in the same breath, despised those who got away with law-breaking and then explained how he never got tickets because he only violates speeding laws by less than 10 MPH. That he'd proved himself a hypocrite in the space of two sentences seemed completely lost on him.

Ever heard of tu quoque?

Added by edit.

Actually, now that I look at that paragraph again, I see 2 lies in there. The first is you accusing me of having an unassalable wall of confidence, something that I have specifically said many times I don't have. The other is obfuscating the matter to equate completely unrelated things.

You are basically saying I am a criminal for going 7 over the speed limit. This is like saying people are organic, oranges are organic, therefore people are oranges. There are varying degrees of violations, loopholes, and discretion, just like there are various types of organic materials.

The first lie is meant for me. The second lie is meant for everyone else who has no experience in law.

Very good nomination for PotM, guys.

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crashfrog
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Message 11 of 16 (617616)
05-30-2011 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taz
05-30-2011 1:45 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
It is true that you did not accuse me of declaring myself an expert in copery in that thread, but you did do it here.

Really?

Where did I do that, specifically?

Here is that paragraph you said in this thread again.

Yes, I wrote that. Could you specifically highlight where the phrase "expert in copery" appears in that material? Thanks.

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Taz
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Message 12 of 16 (617620)
05-30-2011 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by crashfrog
05-30-2011 1:50 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
crashfrog writes:

Yes, I wrote that. Could you specifically highlight where the phrase "expert in copery" appears in that material? Thanks.


There you go with the lies again. This time, you've resorted to playing with semantics. No, you did not specifically use the words "expert in copery". But here is your paragraph again.

crashfrog in post 7 writes:


But, yes, I have talked to people who'd set themselves up behind a nearly unassailable wall of confidence. For instance, recently I spoke to an ex-cop who, in the same breath, despised those who got away with law-breaking and then explained how he never got tickets because he only violates speeding laws by less than 10 MPH. That he'd proved himself a hypocrite in the space of two sentences seemed completely lost on him.

Again, you seriously can't tell the difference between driving 7 over the speed limit and arm robbery? I mean, really? Are you saying all offenses are the same?

Edit.

Anyway, this will be my last post, since chances are I'm about to be suspended for arguing with crashfrog in the PotM thread.

To the PotM nominator, good job in nominating crashfrog's very insightful comments on copery.

Edit again.

Percy linked to the following site once. I just remembered it. Pretty funny stuff. Anyway, I just identified crashfrog among the different personalities.

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/nitpick.htm

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crashfrog
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Message 13 of 16 (617622)
05-30-2011 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
05-30-2011 1:57 AM


Re: Crashfrog's insight on police culture
No, you did not specifically use the words "expert in copery".

Oh, I see. So you actually accused me of something you knew I hadn't done, because you were losing control of this situation.

But you don't think cops accusing people of things they haven't done is something they do when they lose control of situations. You're sure - confident, perhaps? - that I'm completely wrong about that.

But here is your paragraph again.

Yes, I wrote those words. You've now admitted that you've falsely accused me of "accusing you of being an expert in copery". Well, ok. So where in that paragraph do I make any reference at all to your supposed expertise? Please be specific and boldface the relevant language. The language you have boldfaced is a reference to your confidence, not to your supposed expertise. You know, that's why it says "wall of confidence" not "wall of expertise."

Again, you seriously can't tell the difference between driving 7 over the speed limit and arm robbery?

That's certainly not on topic in this thread. You should continue that argument in the other thread. You know, the one where you keep promising not to respond to me.

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Message 14 of 16 (617635)
05-30-2011 7:14 AM


Taz and Crash
You both know better, have a 12 hour suspension.
    
Granny Magda
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Message 15 of 16 (617704)
05-30-2011 5:49 PM


Aaron on Whale Evolution
Author: Aaron
Forum: Biological Evolution
Thread: Creationist response to cetacean femur, leg atavism, and limb bud.
Message #: Message 1

This is great stuff and a welcome return for one of our more thoughtful creationists. Aaron has not merely written a well researched post, he's written a figgin' dissertation. I still think he's wrong of course, but it's a bloody good effort.

Also, as an aside to our other creationist friends, I would just like to say that this is what a good creationist post looks like. Aaron may, in my opinion, be wrong in his conclusions, but he is making a reasoned argument. He's done his research. He's not just bullshitting. This is exactly how to address a debate with anyone of a secular disposition.

I still think Aaron's wrong, but at least he's doing it right.

Mutate and Survive


On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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