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Catholic Scientist
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Message 61 of 69 (629076)
08-15-2011 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by hooah212002
08-15-2011 2:56 PM


Do you know what Social Security and Medicare are?

All I saw was cuts, not eliminations.

Where can I find information on the Republican plans to eliminate it all together?


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Message 62 of 69 (629079)
08-15-2011 3:22 PM
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08-15-2011 3:15 PM


Perhaps you didn't see the second link I provided you with? I even said it in the verbiage highlighted..... You needn't look any further than the words I typed. Though, the proof is in the article.

Practically every GOP lawmaker in both chambers is now on record supporting a ridiculous plan to end Medicare entirely, privatizing it out of existence, and replacing it with a voucher scheme.

Here is another:

The Ryan budget plan endorsed repeatedly by every Republican in Congress from Arkansas would end Medicare. It would replace the single-payer, government-run insurance plan with something much different. It would cost people more for much, much less. It would become a voucher system from which private insurance companies would profit. You could still call it Medicare. Or you could call it a ham sandwich. But it wouldn't be either as either term has ALWAYS been understood.

If you actually look it up, or even followed politics at all, you would be privy to all this info. It was clear as day throughout the entire "debt ceiling crisis" debacle.

And another:

The test vote failed by a vote of 57-40. But the roll call illustrates that Medicare privatization -- along with deep cuts to Medicaid and other social services -- remains the consensus position of the GOP despite the growing political backlash against them.

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Message 63 of 69 (629080)
08-15-2011 3:34 PM
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08-15-2011 3:22 PM


Perhaps you didn't see the second link I provided you with? I even said it in the verbiage highlighted..... You needn't look any further than the words I typed. Though, the proof is in the article.

That was just a link to some guy saying that the Republicans want to end Medicare altogether. That's not convincing at all.

Here is another:

The Ryan budget plan endorsed repeatedly by every Republican in Congress from Arkansas would end Medicare. It would replace the single-payer, government-run insurance plan with something much different. It would cost people more for much, much less. It would become a voucher system from which private insurance companies would profit. You could still call it Medicare. Or you could call it a ham sandwich. But it wouldn't be either as either term has ALWAYS been understood.

That one replaces Medicare with something else so it doesn't get rid of all forms of taxpayer funded healthcare either.


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Message 64 of 69 (629081)
08-15-2011 3:41 PM
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08-15-2011 3:34 PM


That one replaces Medicare with something else so it doesn't get rid of all forms of taxpayer funded healthcare either.

Yea, replace it with PRIVATELY FUNDED healthcare. Privately funded is not taxpayer funded.

Here.

You can do some homework now. Stay up on some politics if you're gonna discuss them.

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Message 65 of 69 (629082)
08-15-2011 3:53 PM
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08-15-2011 3:41 PM


Okay, so we have an example of getting rid of one form of taxpayer funded healthcare and replacing it with another means of funds.

I suppose you were just dropping some hyperbole when you said:

quote:
Do you realize that the right is trying to get rid of all forms of taxpayer funded healthcare, regardless of whether there are people that need it?

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Message 66 of 69 (629085)
08-15-2011 4:04 PM
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08-15-2011 3:53 PM


I suppose you were just dropping some hyperbole when you said:

No.....

Here is some more. This time at the state level.

More about cutting BadgerCare

I suppose it wouldn't kill you to rebut any of this? Perhaps by providing something saying how the right actually gives a shit about anyone other than millionaires?

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Message 67 of 69 (629091)
08-15-2011 4:22 PM
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08-15-2011 4:04 PM


No.....

Here is some more. This time at the state level.

Again, that's cuts and not an elimination.

More about cutting BadgerCare

Same there.

I suppose it wouldn't kill you to rebut any of this?

Why would I rebut something that doesn't support your claim?

Perhaps by providing something saying how the right actually gives a shit about anyone other than millionaires?

I haven't claimed that, you're the one making claims here.

You've provided one example of the elimation of one taxpayer supported program, and that one was being replaced by another means of funds.


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Message 68 of 69 (629102)
08-15-2011 6:49 PM
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08-15-2011 4:22 PM


Again, that's cuts and not an elimination.

You're right, I mis-spoke. He just wants to make sure no one can access the program. It will be there, but no one will have access to it. Oh, and let's not forget the 400,000 people that have access that are going to lose it.

Maine, Arizona, California, to name a few states where the GOP is cutting Health Care for low income persons, all while cutting taxes for the rich.

But you're right: they aren't ending the taxpayer funded healthcare. They are making sure no one can access it. Because after all: it's the rich people who are important in America.

At any rate, we are sorely off topic.


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Message 69 of 69 (631770)
09-02-2011 11:54 PM


http://abcnews.go.com/...urance-24-year-dies-toothache/story

quote:
A 24-year-old Cincinnati father died from a tooth infection this week because he couldn't afford his medication, offering a sobering reminder of the importance of oral health and the number of people without access to dental or health care.

According to NBC affiliate WLWT, Kyle Willis' wisdom tooth started hurting two weeks ago. When dentists told him it needed to be pulled, he decided to forgo the procedure, because he was unemployed and had no health insurance.

When his face started swelling and his head began to ache, Willis went to the emergency room, where he received prescriptions for antibiotics and pain medications. Willis couldn't afford both, so he chose the pain medications.

The tooth infection spread, causing his brain to swell. He died Tuesday.

Calls to Willis' family were not immediately returned. University Hospital in Cincinnati, where Willis was admitted, did not comment, citing federal privacy laws.

"People don't realize that dental disease can cause serious illness," said Dr. Irvin Silverstein, a dentist at the University of California at San Diego. "The problems are not just cosmetic. Many people die from dental disease."

Willis' story is not unique. In 2007, 12-year-old Deamonte Driver also died when a tooth infection spread to his brain. The Maryland boy underwent two operations and six weeks of hospital care, totaling $250,000. Doctors said a routine $80 tooth extraction could have saved his life. His family was uninsured and had recently lost its Medicaid benefits, keeping Deamonte from having dental surgery.


Of course if we try anything as a society it would be communism and we all know communism is evil...


  
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