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New Cat's Eye
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Message 47 of 168 (648925)
01-19-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
01-19-2012 9:01 AM


Re: No Income No Spend
Specifically, you're the one ignoring that when the government spends money, it spends it for Joe Public's goods and services. So Joe Public is taxed $35 on his $100, but the govenment's deficit spending puts an extra $35 in his pocket ($70 - $35.)
Where does the money wasted on government inefficiency go? For example, if the government spends $600 on a hammer, and the hammer-maker gets his $20 for it, what happens to that other $580? Isn't there some fat there that can be trimmed?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 52 of 168 (648940)
01-19-2012 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by crashfrog
01-19-2012 12:15 PM


Re: No Income No Spend
For example, if the government spends $600 on a hammer, and the hammer-maker gets his $20 for it, what happens to that other $580?
If the contractor bills $600 for a government hammer, he gets $600 for a government hammer. Why do you think he's only getting $20?
I guess it could've been phrased better as it costing the government $600 to give the contractor $20 for a hammer. I'm under the impression that there is a cost to running the government, itself, and that it can be terribly inefficient in how much it costs it to spend money to buy things. I don't know how bad it is, and I doubt it really costs $600 for a hammer, but I don't think that all of the "spending" (or costs) of the government contributes to private income.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 61 of 168 (648986)
01-19-2012 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by crashfrog
01-19-2012 1:14 PM


Re: No Income No Spend
I'm in over my head...
I don't know how bad it is, and I doubt it really costs $600 for a hammer, but I don't think that all of the "spending" (or costs) of the government contributes to private income.
Well, obviously it does. Where else would it go? Into a hole? If it's just being moved from one agency to the next - say, my wife's department at Walter Reed needs a box of pens, so they pay the General Services Administration for the box of pens - viewed from the perspective of the Federal Government in total it's a wash. It's not really "spending" any more than it's spending when you go to an ATM and transfer $40 from your checking account to your wallet.
So then its not really spending... but if you gotta move $600 around to spend $20, then surely there's some inefficiencies there that could be trimmed down, no?
I wouldn't want to have to pull $20 out of the ATM every time I wanted to buy a $0.25 pack of gum.

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