YEC Age of Earth question (false appearance of age?)

Oh, I understand the concept there. But the problem is that the people doing the math are making certain assumptions:For example - that 1 year in Old Bible time = 1 year in modern time. Or that the 2nd day of Creation was 24 hours long.If uniformitarianism is no longer applicable (and by your own example, the rate at which the seasons changed is highly variable) then why should we believe that 1 Abraham year = 1 USA year?Couldn't 1 Abraham year be just 64 minutes long? And if not, why not?Or couldn't the 40 days of rain be equal to 754 years of our modern time? And if not, why not?Once we abandon uniformitarianism, we open the door WIDE for all interpretations.There's no logical reason why any of the dates/times given in the Bible should relate to each other let alone to time as we experience it now.

OK Nuggins. Btw, being not necessarily YEC and believing in an eternal universe, I don't date anything in Genesis one before day five. My apologies for running off topic.

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Oh hardly. Uniformitarianism is a doctrine about the natural world that says it continues the same now as always. This has nothing to do with written history.If there is any applicability at all, it would refer to the 1500 years before the Flood, and not afterward, since the YEC dispute with uniformitarianism refers to that time period only. The Fall changed things and the Flood changed things but since then we believe that things have proceeded as they do now.Also, nobody has ever disputed the length of a day or of a year. All that has been disputed is that seasons may not have occurred as they do now, as we envision a much milder climate pre-Flood, in which there would have been a much longer growing season. Sort of like in California only better. Complete misrepresentation of any YEC argument I've ever heard.

Oh, I see. A much milder climate leads to many tree rings and many varves every year, as well as making all the radisotopes with half-lives less than 80,000,000 years disappear. Yeah.

Okay, let's just take the time period before the flood. Since "time" was not uniform then, how can we say that that period (1500 "Bible Years") is not by our modern time keeping 4.5 billion "Now Years" or for that matter 27 "Now Minutes"?

If you're going to be snotty sarcastic I'm not going to talk to you. First you say thanks for joining the thread then you start this stuff. I didn't apply the information to anything. We derive it from the Bible and we can apply it as we get insight into it, but I'm not doing that at this point and you are putting words in my mouth.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-26-2005 08:19 PM

I did not say time was not uniform then. I only mentioned the mild climate.

Not I. Someone else, perhaps.Derive what you prefer from the Bible, but don't blame me if the reality of the world around us both gives it the lie.

Sorry, I confused you with Nuggin.It's the other way around: The Bible is the reality and any seeming contradictory reality in the world around us is what is given the lie.

So we really live on a stationary, disc-shaped earth, and folks used to live 600 or 900 years, and the Sun could stop in its course, and you can fix leprosy by killing birds over water.'K. I'll leave now.

Yes, please do leave now as your sarcastic straw men are only confusing things. 1. Calling it a circle proves the Bible does not regard it as flat.2. Yes they did live that long, and the account shows that the lifespan progressively shortened, which is logically consistent with the expected accumulation of sin in the human race after the Fall.3. God can stop the sun if He pleases, the sun itself couldn't do anything.4. Without reviewing the Law to be sure what it says, I'd say in general that if the Israelites did in faith what God said to do, then whatever He promised as a result of that action would be realized, yes.

Oh, I understand, but when you abandon uniformitarianism for climate, geological processes, radioactive-decay, etc. you kinda have to abandon it for time as well.For example: If we suggest that the rate of radioactive decay is not uniform (as it now appears to be) and was radically different in the pre-Flood time, we can just as easily suggest that the rate of radioactive decay has remained completely constant but that it was time itself that was radically different during the Pre-Flood time.To express it as math
If the rate of decay is X, and the amount of material is Y an equation would look like this:
y/x = TimeHowever if X is not constant, than neither is Time (or for that matter - matter)Once we say that uniformitarianism no longer applies, how do we know that the Earth pre-Flood wasn't 11,000x bigger than the world we now know? Or that every minute of Pre-Flood time didn't last 100,000 years of our current time? Or that the rains of the Flood fell down instead of up?Since nothing we experience now is relavent to our understanding of what was happening pre-Flood, how can anyone - YEC, OEC, or ToE possibly give a date to anything. That date would rely solely on assumptions of time based on post Flood experiences.

A circle is a 2D object, it is by definition flat.

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Don't get hung up on the English meaning.Go to Isaiah 40:22Isaiah 40 (KJV) - Comfort ye, comfort ye myHit the box that says "C" then the Concordance number for chewg which is the Hebrew that is translated "circle."This message has been edited by Faith, 12-27-2005 12:21 AM

geological processes were not abandoned, nor time.But I understand that you prefer to argue with your straw man. Far be it from me to interfere. Carry on.