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NoNukes
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Message 3 of 83 (670138)
08-09-2012 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by purpledawn
08-09-2012 7:17 AM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
I've run into people who believe that men wrote the Bible, but don't accept that there is fiction in the Bible.
True, but that position would be inconsistent with the OP's stated belief.
So a literalist who doesn't believe there is fiction in the Bible and would see it as a lie or ruse is asking how can a Christian who believes there is fiction in the Bible can believe in a God that would do such a thing?
Yes, and such a question only makes sense if God wrote the Bible. The question would not have much meaning if men wrote the Bible. Yes there are some other aspects of the original posts that ask different questions.
I doubt there is a single poster here who believes that God literally wrote the Bible and described a literal global flood that never happened. Yet according to you, we can only answer exactly OP's question from that position. I doubt that FY has encountered anyone like that here.
The title of the OP was the actual question asked in the previous thread. I note that the OP's own participation in the thread seems to touch on the title. But what would be the point of starting a thread because your original question was off topic, and then making the discussion of your original question off topic again?

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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 83 (670196)
08-10-2012 5:42 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by purpledawn
08-09-2012 9:49 AM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
Unfortunately, I don't understand your point. Sorry
I'll try again. Emphasis in the quote below added by me.
purpledawn writes:
So a literalist who doesn't believe there is fiction in the Bible and would see it as a lie or ruse is asking how can a Christian who believes there is fiction in the Bible can believe in a God that would do such a thing?
Your interpretation above includes the idea that there is fiction in the Bible and that God did it. My response is that nobody takes the position you've laid out. Everyone who believes that the Bible inaccurately describes Egyptian history, for example, believes that men are responsible for the deviation from accuracy. Yet you are insisting that not responding directly from that position that God wrote the Bible is off topic.
I find that insistence wrong headed.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 20 of 83 (670229)
08-10-2012 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by caffeine
08-10-2012 6:26 AM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
On the contrary, he was not as stupid as modern day Biblical literalists, and was quite capable of seeing historical inaccuracies in the text. His explanation, to me, sounds a bit forced. God put them there on purpose so that we wouldn't get carried away looking for literal meanings all the time and miss the spiritual sense of the text..
That does seem forced. But I sincerely doubt that any poster that FY has encountered has advanced any such explanation.
In any event, I think you've adequately dealt with my statement that nobody takes the position PD describes. I just don't think any here has used or would buy Origen's argument.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 67 of 83 (674599)
09-30-2012 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by New Cat's Eye
09-29-2012 3:34 AM


Re: Nonukes on slavery
Murder to prevent futher evil could be understood as non-evil.
Are all killings of humans defined as murder?
I haven't read that article. But I can see that a biological basis for a behavior would eliminate the evil associated with it.
A biological basis that compelled rape would eliminate the evil, but rape simply having a biological component would not necessarily eliminate the evil. I would suggest that before asserting that the case has been made that you do read the article.
Moral slavery is not an impossiblity.
I'll point out again that we are talking about slavery as described in the Bible verses I cited. I don't see any excuse or anything moral about owning a person in the way described in those verses. If you do, I'm willing to hear your description of how it is moral.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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