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Let The Debates Begin! Obama v Romney

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Dr Adequate
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Message 18 of 86 (674895)
10-04-2012 1:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Taz
10-04-2012 1:09 AM

Re: Which Platform Has More Substance?
If what Phat says is true, I don't see why it would be unchristian to say it.
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10-04-2012 2:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 37 by onifre
10-04-2012 12:01 PM

Re: Money Wins Presidency
The best-funded candidates won nine out of 10 contests ...
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Yeah, but correlation is not causation. People give money to a candidate 'cos they like him, so it serves as an index of his popularity.
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10-04-2012 3:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 45 by dronestar
10-04-2012 3:12 PM

Re: Money Wins Presidency
Not at all. If there was a cap on how much ANY entity can contribute, then maybe, but as it is now there is no regulation.
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Would it be more accurate to say that the amount of money corporations give to a candidate ...
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So far as I know (someone stop me if I'm wrong) the Citizens United decision allows corporations to donate as much as they like to "super-PACs", but not to the actual official campaign fund. So the size of the candidates' campaign warchests may indeed reflect how much people like them.
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10-04-2012 4:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 48 by dronestar
10-04-2012 4:11 PM

Re: Money Wins Presidency
Perhaps I am mistaken, but, would not one directly effect the other? If Wall Street ran a ten trillion dollar advertising campaign for me, wouldn't my popularity soar. And inversely, if Wall Street ran a ten trillion dollar advertising campaign AGAINST my opponent, wouldn't my popularity soar.
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Yeah, sure. My point is that when we're measuring how much money is given to the candidates directly --- to their official campaign funds --- we are measuring donations from ordinary people, not from corporations. Therefore this sum of money will correlate with the popularity of the candidates without necessarily causing it.
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10-04-2012 5:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 51 by onifre
10-04-2012 5:12 PM

Re: Money Wins Presidency
The CEO of Dreamworks Animation donating $2 million to the Obama campaign ...
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Citation needed.
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10-04-2012 5:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 54 by onifre
10-04-2012 5:22 PM

Re: Money Wins Presidency
But that is a list of super-PAC donors.
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Message 79 of 86 (675583)
10-12-2012 1:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 71 by Straggler
10-12-2012 6:46 AM

Is there any point voting for a president who cannot get anything through congress?
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Imagine that instead of some Obama-supporting-foreigner without a vote it is instead an undecided voter in a swing/close/key state asking you that question.
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How would you answer that question?
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I'd point out that if Obama can't force through all of his agenda, at least re-electing him will stop the Republican crazies in Congress from having their agenda rubber-stamped by Mitt Romney. If you think deadlock is bad, imagine unfettered Republican power.
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