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Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1922 of 2241 (748457)
01-26-2015 9:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 1907 by Faith
01-25-2015 11:55 AM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
faith writes:
You don't know how to read, jar. Or you read at the level of a four year old. Does Acts 9:7 say: quote: 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Does Acts 22:9 say: quote: 9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. And Act 9;7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Act 26;14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Faith I am not sure but I believe if you asked a 4 years old they would say hearing a voice is the opposite of not hearing a voice. And standing is the opposite to falling on the ground. Perhaps you can explain what exactly inerrancy is. Because it appears to be: that nothing can be inerrancy if opposites are not different to you. Like 2/7 debacle. Then perhaps in line with your uniqueness of your religion argument, you can explain why the bible has hundreds and hundreds of errors but the Quran has far fewer. Is the increase in errors, contradictions and inconsistencies a unique quality to the bible that you refer to as an example of why it's the true religion? Does that uniqueness support your position?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1923 of 2241 (748458)
01-26-2015 9:37 AM
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Errors
And some other errors: This is still just from the few verses Jar brought up earlier.
And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve. 1 Corinthians 15:5 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. Mark 16:14 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. John 20:24 ( Judas was dead by now) So in the first post resurrection we have Paul saying 12, we have the unknown writer called John saying 10 and we have the unknown writer called Matthew saying 11. Do we get to see another 2/7 thing here in regards to 10, 11, 12 now?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1926 of 2241 (748475)
01-26-2015 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1924 by jar
01-26-2015 10:56 AM
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Re: Errors
Now the folk that Canonized these examples, that decided to include stories that were mutually exclusive were certainly not dumb; they were learned Jews building a liturgy. They certainly weren't dumb, just superstitious and unknowing. But the biblical Genesis can be traced back further to a Babylonian account. Which is similar. Sort of like the flood account is similar. So they had a bit of tendency to "copy" other accounts. Then add their own embellishments.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1936 of 2241 (748498)
01-26-2015 1:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 1931 by Faith
01-26-2015 12:37 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. faith writes: 22:9 means they didn't hear what the voice SAID. You do have to read in context. As you suggested of Jar, get a 4 year old to explain to you the difference between hearing a voice and not hearing a voice.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1938 of 2241 (748500)
01-26-2015 1:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 1932 by Faith
01-26-2015 12:47 PM
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Re: Errors
faith writes: "The twelve" is likely a generic term for the disciples as Paul uses it, but we can assume such small discrepancies can be explained whether we see the explanation or not. They aren't important. They are just an excuse for you to ignore what IS important. One says 12 one says 10 and one says 11. What's important is you acknowledging these numbers are not the same number. The bible is just men writing and errant! In the case of John and Matthew here, we don't even know who wrote it.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1940 of 2241 (748502)
01-26-2015 1:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 1929 by Faith
01-26-2015 12:31 PM
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Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
faith writes: Not for me, but for all those from Noah to me, and for me to know what God required, what the mind of God is on such things. They aren't two traditions, they are one writing. They were written down by Moses around 1500 B.C. Moses didn't write it. We don't know who wrote it. We know there were two writers because of two different portraits as Jar showed. We know they likely copied an earlier Babylonian myth. We know that Noah's flood is also myth and likely also copies earlier myth as well.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1941 of 2241 (748503)
01-26-2015 1:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 1935 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:26 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
faith writes: It can't mean that because the Bible doesn't contradict itself. That's the problem isn't it. The bible contradicts itself all over the place and you can't admit it.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1944 of 2241 (748506)
01-26-2015 1:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 1939 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:39 PM
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Re: Errors
faith writes: And we certainly DO know who wrote the writings of John and Matthew: John and Matthew did. The writers are anonymous and unknown. Do some research. We don't know who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They didn't witness what they write about. Mark wrote first and he screws the geography up so we know he likely wasn't familiar with the area he writes about. He also doesn't claim to be writing history either. The unknown Luke and Matthew copy the guy who wasn't in the area. And the unknown John uses a method of writing on a number of occasions that is typical to Mark so we know he likely copied him too.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1945 of 2241 (748508)
01-26-2015 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 1943 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:47 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
faith writes: The Bible does not contradict itself because it is the Word of God. Thanks for identifying the problem. I'll carry on with contradictions:
Luke 2:1-7 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David  To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. Matthew 2:1-2, 11 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
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And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him. Was Jesus born in a house or in a manger?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1946 of 2241 (748509)
01-26-2015 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1943 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:47 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
Contradiction;
Matthew 5:1-3 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven... Luke 6:17, 20 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases; ... And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God... Was first sermon on a mountain or plain?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1949 of 2241 (748513)
01-26-2015 2:00 PM
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Contradiction
Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22 Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17, 19
O fools, and slow of heart to believe. Luke 24:25 Can you call somebody a fool or not?
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1952 of 2241 (748516)
01-26-2015 2:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1949 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:00 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1 Seems like a person shouldn't judge but...
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1955 of 2241 (748520)
01-26-2015 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1952 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:04 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Love god
God is Love. 1 John 4:8 Fear god
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 10:20) ( and about 20 other places There is no fear in love:
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1956 of 2241 (748521)
01-26-2015 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1955 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:15 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Can you see god?
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Genesis 12:7 ( and about a dozen other places) No you can't see god. Or if you do you die
There shall no man see me, and live. Exodus 33:20
No man hath seen God at any time. John 1:18
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3111 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1957 of 2241 (748522)
01-26-2015 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 1956 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:20 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Can god do anything. Yes!
For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 1:37 Well, not always
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19 There are over a thousand contradictions in the bible.
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